11-19-2007, 02:46 PM
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Puck you, NCAA
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The MAC-level talent argument dies a cruel death:
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Originally Posted by jboughton
Re: Weis should get 5 years before we judge him. 
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Originally Posted by jimmy4heisman
Here is what this years team is:
- jr./sr. classes were recruited at or below MAC level talent |
Notre Dame's recruiting classes in 2004 and 2005 were below their usual standard, but they were in no way "MAC level talent".
per scout:
2005 - Notre Dame class ranked 27th - Average player rating 3.27, 14 out of 15 players rated 3 or 4 stars.
- MAC's *highest* rated class was 69th (Akron). The entire conference had 10 three star recruits, no 4 or 5 star players.
2004 - Notre Dame class ranked 30th - Average player rating 2.94 stars, 13 out of 17 players rated 3 or 4 stars
- MAC's *highest* rated class was 78th (Miami). The entire conference had 3 three star recruits, none rated higher. |
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Originally Posted by Boulder
Its good to see you guys are digging in and researching the 2004 and 2005 classes.
They may have been top 30 or 40 players when they were recruited but that was before 15 or so left. If you factor in the players leaving then...maybe top 40 or 50. So, do you really think these classes are that far off from MAC classes playing a difficult schedule?
Boulder
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Originally Posted by zerreth
Re: Weis should get 5 years before we judge him.
Boulder wrote: ?Its good to see you guys are digging in and researching the 2004 and 2005 classes.
They may have been top 30 or 40 players when they were recruited but that was before 15 or so left. If you factor in the players leaving then...maybe top 40 or 50. So, do you really think these classes are that far off from MAC classes playing a difficult schedule?
Boulder?
Ok...
I went player by player on the 2004 and 2005 recruiting lists and compared them to Notre Dames current roster.
10 players recruited in 2004-2005 have left the team.
Of the players that remained on the current roster they had the following ratings out of high school:
7 4 Star
14 3 star
2 2 Star
Compared to 2004 MAC
MAC's *highest* rated class was 78th (Miami).
0 4 Star
0 3 Star
Compared to 2005 MAC
MAC's *highest* rated class was 69th (Akron).
1 4 Star
3 3 Star
Compare to NAVY
2004- 2005
ZERO 3 or 4 Star
Compare to Air Force
2004-2005
ZERO 3 or 4 Star
The reason Notre Dame lost to those two teams is Coaching. There is absolutely no reasonable person who can complain that Notre Dame didn't out talent those two teams.
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