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Originally Posted by Muck
I didn't get the passages backwards just the quotes. I should have said "almost every time". From my understanding of both that engagement and another one with a Marine VMFA that trained with the East Germans, in the first engagements the US pilots were getting beat because they were being engaged with shots they didn't expect because of the off boresite advantage held by the 29's...but once they got used to the capabilities of the Russian birds they started waxing them.
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np, i wouldn't let the wording get you riled up. you always have to take the media slant into consideration anytime you read something. all i took it to mean was they won more than we did. which as you noted, can have a lot of factors play into it.
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The only real physical aerodynamic advantage the Migs had was in slow speed continous turns which you want to avoid anyways. The 16's & 18's both had more power and could dictate when to enter an engagement.
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ill buy that the f-16 has better speed and bvr capability than the mig 29. but i think im going to need some proof on the f-18. expecially the super hornet which is less effective in air to air than the original.
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Most of them have been BVR.
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really? i was under the impression that US pilots had to make visual confirmation that the aircraft was a hostile before they could engage. that isn't to say the kill itself wasn't bvr, but i didn't think the entire engagement itself was completely conducted bvr. i probably wasn't very clear on that, sorry. but is that true? has the majority of the US kills been entirely bvr?
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Originally Posted by Bleed S & G
There was a show on the history channel over the weekend that was about 2 hours long and was about the generation 5 fighters.. a lot of knowledge dropped about the raptor and the new mig... recommend you guys check your tv guide and see if you can't DVR or catch the special
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i prefer the reenactments to the "future" episodes. much like the thinking that lead to the phantom originally being built without guns because dogfighting was a thing of the past. the future shows tend to be a little too best case scenaro and lacking in imagination for me.