Thread: Arizona Senator John McCain (official)
View Single Post
  #319 (permalink)  
Old 06-27-2008, 05:00 PM
Gatorubet's Avatar
Gatorubet Gatorubet is online now
We'll think of happy days of yore
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 12,460
Points: 16,488,922.79
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 16,488,922.79
Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.Gatorubet is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by brutus2002 View Post
Yes I mean B...Don't ridicule their service. It is really hard to talk about the military with individuals that have not served. IMO Gator and I are maybe arguing apples and oranges. He thinks I mean you cannot say anything bad about a vet no matter what they do...What I mean is don't question the service the of an honorably discharged service member.
Actually, I am not misunderstanding you at all. I mean, I have no problem with our disagreeing until the day we die. It's just that I think that one can absolutely question the service of an honorably discharged veteran. That service does not protect a man or woman from such questions at all, nor do the questioners have to be veterans to have that right to question them.

Don't get me wrong, the questioners could very likely be wrong headed ingrate assholes. Doesn't matter. I think that you can find some comfort in the fact that very few people will like the persons doing the questioning of a vet's record if there is nothing there, and most, like you, will find it offensive to question an honorably discharged vet in the first place. In fact, it looks like a PR disaster in the making.

My single endlessly repeated, mind-numbing point is that military service, although honored, creates no special class or rights as it relates to the right of anybody to speak about that service. But what will happen is that the court of public opinion will bring a harsh sentence on the person who attacks that vet's record if it is nothing more than an attack.

Freedom of Speech is not Freedom From Stupid, Ungrateful speech. With the right you take the bad, and the bad includes the possibility that nut-jobs get to march through town wearing Nazi uniforms, even if my dad fought Nazis and my uncle was paralyzed by shrapnel from SS artillery. Or the bad may be having to listen to guys in white hoods say that someone's race is inferior.

Hell of a thing, Free Speech. To work as good as it does, you have to take the bad. Like training for Freedom, if you will. When you train, it might make you ill as you train or run to your maximum limit. But throwing up and feeling bad is temporary, and the benefit of being trained fit and healthy is a far more valuable thing than the temporary unpleasantness.

Enjoying your Free Speech Right - that you fought for - is far more satisfying than any temporary pain in hearing some guy criticizing a vet. That is where YOUR right of free speech comes in and you join your buddies is saying the same things you have said (with the exception of saying that they have no right to say what they said because the were not a vet).

I'll likely be on a bar stool here agreeing with you.

Hell, we are close to agreeing.
Reply With Quote
 
Page generated in 0.13488 seconds with 9 queries