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Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Hillary's speech was great.

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

I concur. "It makes sense John McCain and George Bush will be together in the Twin Cities."

I thought it was a great speech. She delivered it well, went after the issues and made a clear distinction between her (and Dems) and McCain.

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

it was a good speech, but she hung obama out to dry. she didn't do much to convince her voters to vote for obama. it was all about her and how democrats should vote for obama because he's a democrat.

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Except the entire premise of his campaign has been that it is not about him, it is about "us" and our ideals. That message was aimed at former Hillary supporters who are not thrilled with Obama. According to the latest polls, that is the biggest group of swing voters. That group will likely never be personally sold on him. They have to be appealed to on another level. I thought she nailed that.

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

she didn't give one reason why they should vote for him other than the fact that he's a democrat. if i were on the fence that speech would have done nothing to change my opinion.

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

That speech wasn't aimed at you. Of course, you would not hear it the same as someone who pinned their hopes on Hillary. That whole "if you were in this for me" piece went strait to the issue. No, she didn't talk about Obama's personality, but she said that he shares these values and these goals and these ideals. "Nothing less than the future of our children and the fate of our children hang in the balance." If that's not a reason to vote for the guy, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

along with the "if you don't want 4 more years of the past 8 years, then vote for Obama" thing...

Her whole speech was based on shared values with Obama and having the party unite with Obama. Did you listen to the whole thing, fourteen?

Clinton calls for unity - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

Your point was echoed by several of the newscasters, 14-0, but I think you are missing that point that MuckFich and Sushi are making. Those of her supporters that are ok with Obama as a candidate have presumably already made the switch. Those 'die-hards' needed to hear that the things that they believed in will be represented by an Obama presidency and NOT represented by McCain. She was purposefully addressing women and her supporters, many of whom have been irrational relative to their own political beliefs. It was also probably aimed at those who might never otherwise vote for the candidate with the "funny name" (a line that is relatively stupid if you've ever lived in any major city) to instruct them to rally around the issues, even if they hold some inner (or outer) biases (for lack of better words).

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

I don't know if this got covered on the networks (it wasn't on MSNBC which I was watching), although I had the internet feed rolling so I saw it. I thought Schweitzer was solid. The netroots love him.

YouTube - MONTANA GOV SCHWEITZER STEALS SHOW: Blasts Bush, "Petro-Dictators"

Schweitzer was great. The big loser last night may have ben Gov. Mark Warner who was completely outshown. I had a conversation with a friend of mine from Virgina before the speeches yesterday, and we both thought that Warner was in a prime spot to choose his own political destiny, but he may have dropped the ball by being too... unremarkable.