2002 OSU 45 - Texas tech 21

[sandgk]

BB - with all due respect - this thread is about this file.

A user has an issue burning the file as is.

Whether or not the underlying format is DiVX or MPG may not really be the issue.

The issue appears to be the delivery as .VRO - I doubt that specific file extension / format is what 99 of the 100 had in mind - but, as that is what was delivered I have offered a work-around that ginn421 can use to end up with a workable DVD.

[Best Buckeye]

Thanks , Actually the thread now is about "how to" and should be put into a similar file so it's access stays open to following users who may not open up this thread and thus miss this info.
in so far as your helping him that is fine but now we have gotten into areas that go far beyond his question and if the info now being posted is put into a q and A thread it it will benefit more people jmo.

[Best Buckeye]

This version is an MPG format 2.46 Gb.
All the commercials have been cut out.

2002 OSU 45 - Texas Tech 21 mpg.mpg.torrent (25.0 KB)

[Clarity]

Should we be deleting the first one then? I understand how the files are different -- just not clear on whether or not there's value in offering both formats at the same time.

If we're to replace, what's the likelihood this will happen often?

Not pointed questions, I'm still trying to conceptualize all of this, particularly as I try and regard it through the eyes of people who haven't yet figured out torrents. For my own interest, as I'm trying to download everything to my local file server for the sake of seeing at night (most nights, anyway) I'd rather do a single game once. May not make sense for me to try and have everything available to seed though. At some point, the available files will exceed my own storage capacity (one would have to assume).

[Best Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Clarity

Should we be deleting the first one then? I understand how the files are different -- just not clear on whether or not there's value in offering both formats at the same time.

If we're to replace, what's the likelihood this will happen often?

Not pointed questions, I'm still trying to conceptualize all of this, particularly as I try and regard it through the eyes of people who haven't yet figured out torrents. For my own interest, as I'm trying to download everything to my local file server for the sake of seeing at night (most nights, anyway) I'd rather do a single game once. May not make sense for me to try and have everything available to seed though. At some point, the available files will exceed my own storage capacity (one would have to assume).

I have to go back to the vote , which I thought everyone ageed upon, where divx was the choice .
I am only doing what you are , trying to conceptualize all of this, so that we can get the most good out of all of this for the most people.
In the older games I and a few others like to see the old commercials, but most seem to want to cut the commercials out. And that does cut down on the file size a lot and allow for faster downloads.
I myself think taht all the how to questions should be in the how to threads because if someone just doesnt happen to go to a particular thread he may miss out on a how to q and a in that thread.
Sandgk and Rocket both have some great ideas as far as formatting and editing go and we should condsider what the end result we want is and how best to go about it.
I was about to spend 80 bucks on video redo but I sure don't want to if it won't do what we want to achieve in here.
So first off we need to decide what we are going to do as far as what the basic file setup we want and go from there.
Then if someone wants to download one of our files and change it fro them selves they are more than welcome to do that.
Now Timbuck has most of his in ISO but that got voted down. (btw I don't even know what exactly ISO is other than a different format. Will it play on a dvd plaer and tv? or is it a computer only format? it would be very easy for me to upload 4 versions vob, vor, dvd or MPG.

[sandgk]

Clarity - like to chime in here - hopefully with Clarification ....

There are two primary issues -
1 - what is the ideal encoding format, and
2 - What are good choices for file delivery

Then there are ancillary issues like the choices for file editing software (trimming commercials etc) or conversion software (Autogk and many others). The choice of video editing software is only important in that it must present a work-product that is suited for final conversion. Anyway - those choices are like the difference between Snap-On and Sears Apple and WinXP, largely religious once you get beyond core utility.

Back to the primary issues .. I think there is confusion between the former (encoding) and latter (deliverable), and thus conflation of these two issues.

The vote that was held with a majority voting on DiVX concerns issue 1, not issue 2 -
this is because DiVX is an encoding format - one that happens to be extraordinarily lightweight.

When rocketmann speaks of the virtues of DiVX he does not dismiss the use of tools to help him get to the end result, it is the lightweight that is attractive.

That leaves issue 2 - the utility of the deliverable.
There are three primary choices - presented in no particular order

*** Make a DVD
- a folder of DVD ready files abiding by the AUDIO_TS folder and VIDEO_TS structure and 1GB file chunks for video that we all find on examining a DVD, menu files may also be included (this has been timbuck2's historic approach and I see rocketmann has reserved some of the timbuck2 DVDs)
[NOTE - the actual files used in making the DVD may themselves have been compressed using the algorithms in the authoring program or a separate "Shrinking" program - but regardless, the product contains pure MPG-2 files).
-- Advantages - the deliverable is universally burnable, and universally playable on PC, in any TV set linked DVD player
-- Disadvantages - file size, without effort to compress, can reach full size for a 4.7GB DVD, this lengthens the download - with compression the file length is typically below 3.5 GB - still one game per disc.

***
Make DiVX file with a pure MPG-4 video stream (this is the approach that rocketmann has historically preferred to use, some of his files bear an MPG some an AVI extension).
-- Advantages, MPG 4 using DiVX 5/6 codecs for encoding is extraordinarily lightweight. An entire half might be below 1.5 GB (example Michigan Ohio State - 2004), an entire game with little passing below 2GB (example OSU - PSU 2003). Playable on PC with the right codecs, most DVD players made since 2005 explicitly include statements of DiVX compliance and can play these files.
... Potentially one can build a disc with 2 games after downloading.
-- Disadvantages, Burned DVD-ROMs with DiVX movies / games require a newer DVD player. Menus, though allowed under DiVX, are minimal. Changing the file on receipt to a DVD by reauthoring can reduce the fidelity of the original conversion MPG-2 to MPG-4 OK, MPG-4 to MPG-2 not always OK.

***
Serve another format - e.g., .MOV or .VRO etc
-- Advantages, potentially easier pipeline for the file-serving author, file sizes are not constrained into DVD file tree (1GB splits) or ISO 9660 file (2GB upper limit) chunks. All the author's attention is to removing commercials. Speed of delivery is improved.
-- Disadvantages, the files on receipt may bear a file extension that is recognized by a limited number of systems (.MOV by Apple-Macs or Windows machines with Quicktime installed), .VRO by Video Recorders / Camcorders. This typically means the file recipient has to become the final auteur - converting the (typically) over-large file into .VOB 1GB chunks if authoring a DVD, or converting to .mpg, supremely easy with .VRO files, and then splitting into <2GB chunks.
NOTE - for DVD authoring If the file was already subjected to MPG-4 or other encoding this may introduce artefacts if the video is re-authored to DVD compliant MPG-2 format (the risk of which depends on the subtlety / sophistication of the authoring software).

For me the last challenge is a relatively small mole-hill. I can easily understand though that it isn't as easy for all others.