Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

[buckeye247]

Originally Posted by High Lonesome

I almost did the same on monday....Went to a TCU baseball game over easter and the temp on the field was 106.....in friggin April

i don't know how any of this translates but it is damn hot in dallas, tx right now.

just horrendous...not looking forward to what july and august have in store

better than 45 and rainy.

[BuckeyeRob]

Originally Posted by texasfight06

I totally disagree that its not an OC issue. Some plays work against constant pressure, plays that take to long to develop don't. If Texas gets constantly stuffed and sacked, do you not think that Greg Davis will get some of the blame?

Is it your viewpoint that your secondary can match up with our receivers man on man? If you are putting nine in the box, your safeties will not be covering our receivers. Putting nine in the box, and leaving one on one coverage of Limas Sweed, Billy Pittman, Quan Cosby, and/or JFinley? It doesn't take long to through a quick slant, or just throw it up to Sweed who is 6'5". People have come down hard on Greg Davis in the past, but I stil think he will be able to handle it.

No but it does take a quarterback that has the EXPERIENCE in big games. McCoy was a 3* recruit. He has attempted 0 passes at the collegiate level (according to Rivals.com) Sneed is a true freshman. I would be very surprised if Sneed gets the nod over McCoy unless there is a substancial gap in who is better. Its somewhat comical that some of you texas fans really seem to think starting a redshirt freshman is no big deal. Whats really funny is the implied impression that losing Vince Young isnt really going to impact the offense. that one really boggles my mind.

[EngineerHorn]

Whats really funny is the implied impression that losing Vince Young isnt really going to impact the offense. that one really boggles my mind.

From what post did you get this impression? I'd say a very large percentage of posts from Texas fans on this thread are in some shape or form lamenting the loss of VY. If someone posts something that says losing him won't impact our offense, even if it's implicitly, he's crazy and should be called out on it, but I don't think that's happened.

And yeah, of course we'd rather have an upperclassman starting this year. But I don't think it warrants feelings of impending doom from the Texas side that we're starting a freshman. There are plenty of examples of freshmen quarterbacks performing adequately enough to move the offense- which is what I and most every other Texas fan will expect McCoy or Snead to do. Just drive the car.

[jwinslow]

buckeyerob, xray does not speak for everyone. I'm still waiting for an example of where OSU stacked the box with 8-9 guys (never mind that our secondary will be fairly green in Austin).

Originally Posted by footballfanatic

Apologies in advance, I'm breaking my own self-imposed ban on discussing the weather. I know OSU fans aren't overly concerned about Texas in September since the game is at night, and that the average temperature in Austin in September is 82 degrees, but THANKS TO GLOBAL WARMING, FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS, IT'S BEEN OVER A HUNDRED DEGREES IN AUSTIN, AND IF IT KEEPS UP, EVERYONE HERE WILL BE DEAD BY THE TIME THE GAME ROLLS AROUND!!!!!!!!!

I suppose that puts a new twist on who will have to forfeit due to heat

[Buckeye513]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeKid789

Yeah, but they weren't a factor in the game. Neither made game changing catches.

Stovall made a 26-yard catch on their opening drive (which they scored on).
Stovall made a 13-yard catch on their 2nd scoring drive to get deep into OSU territory and into FG range.
Samardzija made a 28-yard catch on their final scoring drive.
Stoval made a 15-yard catch and a 17-yard catch on 4th down on their final scoring drive.
At least one of them had a hand in each of their TDs. Pretty game-changing to me.

Their performances were nothing to sneeze at, neither were Shelton's and Walker's. As poor as Quinn was, they all came to play, somehow put up some big numbers by our defense's standards, and gave our DBs fits nearly the entire game. But of course, you're one of the biggest homers on his forum, so you probably don't think so.

[NFBuck]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRob

McCoy was a 3* recruit.

Peppering any argument with a players * ranking is as flawed as you can get. Let's not forget a certain LB that just wrapped up one of the most distinguished careers at tOSU was a 3* recruit. Just saying...

[texasfight06]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRob

No but it does take a quarterback that has the EXPERIENCE in big games. McCoy was a 3* recruit. He has attempted 0 passes at the collegiate level (according to Rivals.com) Sneed is a true freshman. I would be very surprised if Sneed gets the nod over McCoy unless there is a substancial gap in who is better. Its somewhat comical that some of you texas fans really seem to think starting a redshirt freshman is no big deal. Whats really funny is the implied impression that losing Vince Young isnt really going to impact the offense. that one really boggles my mind.

Sorry to nitpick again, but it's spelled Snead, and he is considered the much better talent. Also, not that it amounts to much, but Snead will actually be a grayshirt freshman, as he is already enrolled, and participated in spring practice. I still don't think it takes a superstar to throw a quick slant against or a fade to a 6'5" receiver when you have nine in the box. But no matter. Also, the decision on who will be QB will most lilkely not be decided by opening day against Denton High, and may not even be decided by tOSU game, as all comments and indications from the coaches are that we will do some type of 2 QB system. (I know that I just opened up a whole new can of worms for you to chomp on, but just wanted to let you know in case you didn't read the previous posts.) Lastly, I apologize if I implied the impression that losing Vince will not impact the offense, as I am more trying to portray what I think you will see from our offense in this game to account for the chasm that Vince left in our offensive production. Everyone knows that this will be a huge impact as he was responsible for most of our offense last year, but I am also of the impression that UT has an immense amount of talent on the offensive side, and Greg Davis will be changing the offense to accentuate our strengths, which should result in a different look and scheme. Less zone read for example. Will your defense be impacted by the loss of Carp, Hawk, Salley, Youboty, etc.? Exactly, that's what we are discussing here.

[Buckeye513]

Originally Posted by NFBuck

Peppering any argument with a players * ranking is as flawed as you can get. Let's not forget a certain LB that just wrapped up one of the most distinguished careers at tOSU was a 3* recruit. Just saying...

Pretty sure that Holmes guy, the one who's getting drafted in 3 days, was a 3-star also.

[xrayrandy]

buckeyerob, xray does not speak for everyone.

Are you implying that I said that losing Vince Young would not affect the Texas offense, if so you are mistaken. I've said that losing Vince Young will send the Texas offense back to pre-Vince levels under Mack Brown/ Greg Davis.

The one difference is that the offensive line in 2006 will be better then at any time in the 1998-2002 era, which should help keep the offensive production toward the high end of that range.

[xrayrandy]

Snead will actually be a grayshirt freshman

Snead is not a grayshirt (or greyshirt). He is an early enrollee, not a late enrollee.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by texasfight06

Everyone knows that this will be a huge impact as he was responsible for most of our offense last year, but I am also of the impression that UT has an immense amount of talent on the offensive side, and Greg Davis will be changing the offense to accentuate our strengths, which should result in a different look and scheme.

I have trouble believing this. True, Texas is among a group of about 15 - 20 D1A schools that is loaded with talent all over the roster, and like many other schools, has been in this position for a decade, or two, or even a century. The recurring complaint I heard from Texas fans last year though was Greg Davis. Many Texas fans believed that Davis should shoulder as much blame as anyone for Texas falling just short in several of the previous seasons (before Vince).

The 2005 theme of "let Vince be Vince" and "the Zone Read" would seem to indicate that the best job Davis has ever done of coaching was to stop trying to do it, and give Vince essentially one play to run. I know that's a gross oversimplification of what actually happened, but the point is that it seems to me that Vince was such an extraoridinary player that any other shortcomings in the Texas coaching staff were rendered moot.

It's easy for Davis to look like a freakin' genius when his designed play is "Vince Keeper - break seven tackles and scramble 50 yards for the game winning TD."

If you remove Vince from the equation, how confident are you really in Greg Davis? Everyone was seemingly singing a completely different tune last year.

[bukIpower]

TexasFight06- You make a good point that yes it seems easy that you should be able to hit a quick slant/Fade. How many of you guys on this board have been QB's? I know I was a QB in high school for a year and throwing passes is very easy in practice. Seriously though once you get in a game and you have people flying around trust me its NOT easy. Its honestly very difficult to distinguish who's going where because everthing is in motion. Yeah I could study a playbook and throw it where the guy is suppose to go, but hell If I did that the Defense would surely just INT it because they're read my eyes. What I'm saying is experience with knowing how certain recievers run routes to go along with getting your reads down pat, and knowing the playbook takes long to master. Especially when you're not live in practice (not getting hit). It takes game experience to give a QB things he needs like Confidence and a swagger. Thats something your QB won't have when he faces a defense as talented as ours (young yes, but talented). He'll see a good Texas Defense in practice but he's not gett'n batted around like he will be on September 9th. I think most people on this board would remember xray saying Texas' running backs were goin to run for 4 TD's. Not to be a dick but once again you need your QB to step up and take pressure off a talented rushing attack (no doubt you're talented at RB) to be somewhat effective against a good defense such as ours. Because if we face a 1 demensional Texas team on September 9th I like our odds.

Buckeye513- What game did you watch on Jan. 2?? What I saw was shut down defense for 3 quarters, and a defense that went into prevent for the 4th quarter. The ND recievers had absolutly no effect on the outcome of the game. If tosu would've blown that game and ND came back and won it would've been our game plan in the 4th quarter that would allow them to do so. I remember we held them to what I think it was 4 or 6 straight 3 and outs. We shut down the run, sacked and hurried the QB so bad that it was a blow out for 3 quarters. The Recievers simply got their yards when we played an extreamly deep zone trying not to give up points quickly. For further proof look at our offense's production the first 3 quarters and look at the last quarter? If you wouldn't of seen the first 3 quarters and only saw the last quarter you'd figure we had the worst offense in the big ten. It was soley time possession Tressel was worried about. He knew that as long as we made them drive the field every single time they wouldn't beat us. Pittman got lucky in the 4th quarter on a perfectly executed time killing stretch play. If not for Pittmans' TD the blowout score as shown 35-21 would've been a blow out score of 28-21 because the score didn't indicate how badly we DOMINATED ND.

I couldn't agree with you anymore Dryden... 100 percent accurate on my counts. If not for VY last year a lot of those big plays you guys realed off wouldn't of happened. Give me a number of big plays that happened without VY being involvled in some way or another. I can count only 1, and thats a 80 yard run against Oklahoma by Charles. This year you'll find out how good your coaching staff really is because I do recall before the big numbers this year you wanted Greg Davis' Head on a pike.

[High Lonesome]

Originally Posted by Dryden

If you remove Vince from the equation, how confident are you really in Greg Davis? Everyone was seemingly singing a completely different tune last year.

This is actually a very legit question. I was/am one of the largest Davis haters but I think that he deserves quite a bit of credit for the offense last year.

He was still conservative at times but he did things that would never had been called in years past. Case and point, the long bomb to Billy Pittmann at the end of the half vs. OU. in years past it would have been a run, screen, or quick slant looking to break something or run out the clock.

That said, from what I understand Davis spent an enormous(sp?) amount of time studying the Colts offense and trying to tailor it to fit our needs. I for one think that he did a masterfull job. The zone read is simply the zone play that the colts ran for edge but gave vince the option of keeping it, clearly payton couldn't do this. He broke away from his Denver, 1 back, roots(a place i see us going back to by the way) and really transformed his team to fit the personell.

I still think that Davis is too conservative and untrusting of younger players but to not give him credit for one of the most explosive offenses of all time is a bit much even for this hater

[texasfight06]

Originally Posted by xrayrandy

Snead is not a grayshirt (or greyshirt). He is an early enrollee, not a late enrollee.

My bad, so he is simply an early enrollee? I thought that anybody that enrolled in January was technically a grayshirt, whether it be early or late. Sorry for the confusion. Sorry for stating that towards you buckeyerob, as I obviously don't know as much as a I think that I do

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by High Lonesome

I still think that Davis is too conservative and untrusting of younger players but to not give him credit for one of the most explosive offenses of all time is a bit much even for this hater

Obviously, Davis deserves a ton of credit -- I'm not disputing that. I fully expect Texas to return to producing 1,500 yard backs and having a QB manage the game, as was the norm pre-Vince. I'm not suggesting Davis isn't a good OC, or that Texas doesn't have an explosive offense.

I'm merely saying that Vince singlehandedly won games. Two Rose Bowls come to mind. That talent isn't the kind you can coach, you just roll with the punches and revamp the offense to fit the parts.

My question isn't about Davis's skill, but the newfound confidence some Texas fans have in him after the 2005 season.