BCS National Championship Game: tOSU 24, LSU 38 (final)

[Tigertracker]

Originally Posted by OWUBuckeye51

QB - Flynn has been average to good throughout the year and if Perrilloux is so good, why isn't he starting? Push.

RB - come on. Are you serious? Advantage OSU

WR - Slight advantage LSU

O-Line - Advantage Ohio State - they have been dominant (in general) since the Washington game. Joseph Barksdale could be the icing on the cake here.

D-Line - Dorsey is as good as it gets and will be healthy. Jean-Francios is back from grade suspension. Ohio State is good but no one competes with this line. Advantage LSU

LB's - Marcus Freeman, Lil Animal and Larry Grant (a former highly coveted SEC-area recruit) vs Highsmith, Beckwith, etc - I will say Ohio State's depth gives them a slight edge.

DB's - Seriously? Steltz is overrated: he gets sucked in on play action WAY too easy. Great hitter, but I don't see how this guy was an All-American. I think there are other SEC safeties who are better, including Major Wright and Tony Joiner.

Special Teams - I would give LSU the advantage b/c of Holliday.

Coaching - Tressel by a long shot. Leslie can't handle this LSU-michigan debacle properly. He is a wack job.

Intangibles - Advantage LSU b/c of the locale, but Ohio State is dangerous b/c everyone is picking against them.

Final Score prediction: I don't have one.

There are a couple of your items I would like to comment on. My opinion is not any more valid than yours, but it is my opinion.
Flynn is the starting QB because he is a senior with total command of the offense. He is not a great QB, but he seldom makes mistakes and when he does, it does not rattle him. Perrilloux is more physicaly talented, but less experienced. He has spent a considerable amount of time in Mile's dog house, because of off the field problems. He has had a bad habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people.
I would give a slight edge to OSU at starting RB, although If I had a 3rd and 2, I can't think of anyone that I would rather have than Hester. I do think that LSU has more quality depth at RB than OSU, but you can only use so many during a game.
OL, OSU has had great success with their line, but I don't believe they can be compared. I don't recall any common opponents, and with all due respect, OSU didn't play a very tough schedule this year.
Steltz was used less as a safety and more as a deep linebacker for the second half of the year because of injuries to our defensive line, that is why it may appear that he was out of position at times.
Coaching- You say "Tressel by a long shot" and you are entitled to that opinion, I would submit that it is impossible to compare them. What would the won/loss percentage be if they swapped opponents, we have no way of knowing. One thing is for sure though, by any criteria you wish to use, Miles has faced a tougher schedule at LSU than Tressel has, and has about the same record. As for Mile's handling of the Michigan job, you say he didn't handle it properly, what did he do wrong? He announced that he wouldn't talk to them until after the SEC championship game and that he didn't want to discuss it until then. It wasn't his fault that ESPN came out with their announcement on the morning of the game, and he had to call a press conference to deny it. I don't believe he deserves the "Wack job" comment.

[TS10HTW]

Originally Posted by Bill Lucas

Nice post Nutriaitch. BTW, the line is LSU -4 right now so considering it's in NOLA it appears that Vegas views the teams as about equal right now. Line has dropped from -6 to -4 since it came out.

When the line moves like that I think it means there is alot of Buckeye money getting 6 points!!! Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

If there is a large spread and everyone is taking the points they move the line to entice action for the other team. If you wanted LSU in this game but felt 6 was too many pts to give, now that it is moved to 4, vegas feels they will get some of that LSU $ now.

IDK

Go Bucks!!!

[TS10HTW]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

There are a couple of your items I would like to comment on. My opinion is not any more valid than yours, but it is my opinion.
Flynn is the starting QB because he is a senior with total command of the offense. He is not a great QB, but he seldom makes mistakes and when he does, it does not rattle him. Perrilloux is more physicaly talented, but less experienced. He has spent a considerable amount of time in Mile's dog house, because of off the field problems. He has had a bad habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. How does off the field decisions have anything to do with this game? They don't. Worst case is the QB position is a push.
I would give a slight edge to OSU at starting RB, although If I had a 3rd and 2, I can't think of anyone that I would rather have than Hester. I do think that LSU has more quality depth at RB than OSU, but you can only use so many during a game.slight edge but really this is a question of the running game in general and both teams can run, no doubt about it.
OL, OSU has had great success with their line, but I don't believe they can be compared. I don't recall any common opponents, and with all due respect, OSU didn't play a very tough schedule this year.The schedule we played so far has little or no bearing what so ever on this game either or how well either O-line is our "not very tough schedule" doesn't make LSU's O-line better, sorry it doesn't.
Steltz was used less as a safety and more as a deep linebacker for the second half of the year because of injuries to our defensive line, that is why it may appear that he was out of position at times. Steltz is a hitter no doubt I'd love him in Scarlet and Gray. Russell, Washington and Jenkins in no particular order...Advantage tOSU if for no other reason the deep pass has been defended very well all year and they all play well vs the run.
Coaching- You say "Tressel by a long shot" and you are entitled to that opinion, I would submit that it is impossible to compare them. What would the won/loss percentage be if they swapped opponents, we have no way of knowing. One thing is for sure though, by any criteria you wish to use, Miles has faced a tougher schedule at LSU than Tressel has, and has about the same record. As for Mile's handling of the Michigan job, you say he didn't handle it properly, what did he do wrong? He announced that he wouldn't talk to them until after the SEC championship game and that he didn't want to discuss it until then. It wasn't his fault that ESPN came out with their announcement on the morning of the game, and he had to call a press conference to deny it. I don't believe he deserves the "Wack job" comment.Tressell 3rd Division 1 National Championship appearance in 6 years. Big if not emormous advantage besides he whooped les in the Alamo Bowl in 2004.

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[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by bkochmc

The Buckeye's kick coverage has been inconsistent... they've allowed 2 kickoff TD's this year:

• OSU smacked Northwestern 58-7 in week 4... NW's 7 were from the opening kickoff of the second half.
• Penn State took a kickoff back for a TD with less than 4 minutes left in the game.

Actually, the coverage on NW's kickoff TD was pretty decent and we had the returner trapped around the 15 yard line or so, IIRC, but a certain blue-chip true freshman safety on our coverage team decided he didn't have to wrap up on a tackle...

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by #1LSUFANEVER

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Originally Posted by osugrad21

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[Lockup]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

Coaching- You say "Tressel by a long shot" and you are entitled to that opinion, I would submit that it is impossible to compare them. What would the won/loss percentage be if they swapped opponents, we have no way of knowing. One thing is for sure though, by any criteria you wish to use, Miles has faced a tougher schedule at LSU than Tressel has, and has about the same record. As for Mile's handling of the Michigan job, you say he didn't handle it properly, what did he do wrong? He announced that he wouldn't talk to them until after the SEC championship game and that he didn't want to discuss it until then. It wasn't his fault that ESPN came out with their announcement on the morning of the game, and he had to call a press conference to deny it. I don't believe he deserves the "Wack job" comment.

Long shot may be a stretch but I believe the idea is that Miles is shall we say...lucky at times. He makes some gutsy ( or bonehead if they don't pay off) calls. He has been forutante that the talant of team he has most of his strange decisions have payed off. Let's not forget too that Les has only been around for 3 years and came into a better situation than JT did.

JT on the other hand has contiued to put his team at or near the top for 7 years now most of the time. Everything he has now he has built and not working off of others body of work to start. He also typically does not get out coached. It happenes but not often.

Either way I would take Tressel over Miles anyday right now.

[OWUBuckeye51]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

There are a couple of your items I would like to comment on. My opinion is not any more valid than yours, but it is my opinion. I respect that.
Flynn is the starting QB because he is a senior with total command of the offense. He is not a great QB, but he seldom makes mistakes and when he does, it does not rattle him. Perrilloux is more physicaly talented, but less experienced. He has spent a considerable amount of time in Mile's dog house, because of off the field problems. He has had a bad habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Which lends credence to questionable decision making, right?
I would give a slight edge to OSU at starting RB, although If I had a 3rd and 2, I can't think of anyone that I would rather have than Hester. I do think that LSU has more quality depth at RB than OSU, but you can only use so many during a game. Hester has been solid in short yardage and is a bear to tackle. If Ohio State wraps up on 1/7/08, then I don't think Hester has a significant impact. I will admit Hester catches the ball well outta the backfield and passblocks well, but if I had to pick, I would choose Beanie, Mo, Brandon Saine, et al over tULS's stable of backs.
OL, OSU has had great success with their line, but I don't believe they can be compared. I don't recall any common opponents, and with all due respect, OSU didn't play a very tough schedule this year. There is some truth in there - however, their line has been dominant over the schedule presented them - that is all they can ask.
Steltz was used less as a safety and more as a deep linebacker for the second half of the year because of injuries to our defensive line, that is why it may appear that he was out of position at times. Makes sense, he just seems to take bad angles (banana routes) in pursuit.
Coaching- You say "Tressel by a long shot" and you are entitled to that opinion, I would submit that it is impossible to compare them. What would the won/loss percentage be if they swapped opponents, we have no way of knowing. One thing is for sure though, by any criteria you wish to use, Miles has faced a tougher schedule at LSU than Tressel has, and has about the same record. As for Mile's handling of the Michigan job, you say he didn't handle it properly, what did he do wrong? He announced that he wouldn't talk to them until after the SEC championship game and that he didn't want to discuss it until then. It wasn't his fault that ESPN came out with their announcement on the morning of the game, and he had to call a press conference to deny it. I don't believe he deserves the "Wack job" comment.

See my responses in bold. I will save this for last: Leslie Miles did talk to scUM before the SEC Championship Game. That is a fact. To say he didn't is a complete lie and makes me question his values. From an ethical standpoint, Tressel by a landslide. Furthermore, Tressel doesn't make idiotic, emotion-laden statements in the press the way Leslie does.

From a coaching perspective, Miles inherited a NC caliber program, yet it took him three years to reach the pinnacle. Tressel inherited a program three years removed from national prominence and quickly turned them into a powerhouse.

X's & O's: Tressel has won the big one and is 1-0 against Leslie to date in bowl games. Head to head, he is "undefeated in regulation against Miles".