2008 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

[wadc45]

Next batch of rankings, including Ohio:

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6/20

Ohio...of note:

#2 Devoe Torrence
#3 Devier Posey
#6 Jake Stoneburne
#7 Cordale Scott
#8 Mike Adams
#11 Dan McCarthy
#12 Nathan Williams
#15 Kevin Koger
#16 Isiah Pead
#21 BJ Machen
#25 DJ Woods
#28 Johnny Adams
#30 Trey Fairchild
#39 Steve Gardiner
#42 Ben Buchanan

Rivals doesn't (and never has) think much of Mike Adams...and Rudolph is the only 5-star in Ohio.

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6/20

NC...of note:

#8 Quinton Coples

No OSU targets in Louisiana...

[Bob.Barker]

I'd like Rivals to find one coach in america who would take Scott over Adams.

[TheStoicPaisano]

Although their comment on Rowell was dumb (Warrensville Hts. and Glenville count as "several" high schools played at?), I do like the fact that Whitner seems to be getting the attention he deserves.

Dawawn is Rowell's equal on the field and tested exceptionally well in San Antonio (sub-5 40 and shuttle). What he doesn't have is the great 1-on-1 performance that Rowell has. However, he doesn't have the academic problems Rowell has, either.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by wadc45

Rivals doesn't (and never has) think much of Mike Adams...and Rudolph is the only 5-star in Ohio.

His committing to Notre Dame is probably not a factor in that...

[Napoleonbuck]

Scout.com

That's the updated midwest 100. It's actually pretty good. I think Mobley is too low, but other than that nothing really stood out as odd(unlike say having Beachum among the top 5 running backs in the nation).

[wadc45]

Just furthuring what napolean posted...

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6/20

Midwest 100...of note:

#! Mike Adams
#3 Steven Filer
#4 Michael Floyd
#6 Devoe Torrence
#7 Devier Posey
#8 Garret Goebel
#9 Jake Stoneburner
#13 Kevin Koger
#14 Brandon Moore
#16 Dan McCarthy
#20 Cordale Scott
#27 Willie Mobley
#32 Nathan Williams
#37 Brandon Green
#44 Brandon Beachum
#45 DJ Woods
#50 Steve Gardiner
#51 BJ Machen
#52 MarQueis Gray

etc.

[MililaniBuckeye]

The disparity on Adams between Rivals and Scout is plain stupifying. Scout has him as the best player in the entire midwest while Rivals has him as only the 8th best in the state of Ohio.

[tsteele316]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

The disparity on Adams between Rivals and Scout is plain stupifying. Scout has him as the best player in the entire midwest while Rivals has him as only the 8th best in the state of Ohio.

bobby burton was quoted as saying that he watched two full game films of adams where he "didn't block anybody." I have asked him which two games those were, as I watched Coffman a few times last year, and from what I saw, he mauled everyone in his path. He refuses to answer me, and deletes all posts that ask that question.

[OSUBucks22]

Originally Posted by tsteele316

bobby burton was quoted as saying that he watched two full game films of adams where he "didn't block anybody." I have asked him which two games those were, as I watched Coffman a few times last year, and from what I saw, he mauled everyone in his path. He refuses to answer me, and deletes all posts that ask that question.

It doesn't help that "Irish" Steve Hare runs the Ohio Preps site for Rivals (and has input on the rankings) and has Zebrie Sanders over Mike Adams for the best OL in OH... Crabby and Farrell actually liked Adams a whole lot from what I hear, but Burton, Schurbutt, Hare, and a few others don't... But alas, enough conspiracy theories here... We all know what we're getting, and I don't think anyone would trade it...

[cheetah]

How many of these Rivals and Scouts were actual high level college players, or even college players at all? I can't think of any. I don't know why so many people put so much stock into what they say. Most of them were nerds living in their mother's basements for years doing this stuff until it was discovered that there was an actual market for it.

[goodguy]

Originally Posted by cheetah

How many of these Rivals and Scouts were actual high level college players, or even college players at all? I can't think of any. I don't know why so many people put so much stock into what they say. Most of them were nerds living in their mother's basements for years doing this stuff until it was discovered that there was an actual market for it.

Totally agree. I never find disparities between Rivals and Scout rankings to be stupifying, because they happen every year.

[OWUBuckeye51]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

The disparity on Adams between Rivals and Scout is plain stupifying. Scout has him as the best player in the entire midwest while Rivals has him as only the 8th best in the state of Ohio.

Insert Sarcasm. You have to understand, Mili, that Adams is "geographically challenged". In the world of Rivals, any linemen from the 614 area code and not say, from the 239, 813 or 904 area codes (cough - Florida/South - cough) can't possibly be very good and must be inferior to his southern brethren.

Furthermore, the people at Rivals completely contradict themselves - Mike Farrell recently indicated on Rivals Radio on Sirius that Southern schools such as FSU, Miami, and Tennessee have started and will start recruiting the states of Ohio and Pennsylvania hardcore because they want to get tough, hard-nosed blue chip linemen - if that's the case, then Farrell must wholeheartedly disagree with his cohort Bobby "don't call me Robert" Burton.

[wadc45]

Another batch of state rankings out on Rivals today...

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6/21

California...of note:

#5 Blake Ayles
#10 EJ Woods

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6/21

Tennessee...note note:

#6 Rodriguez Wilks

Also available are the state rankings for Alabama...

[wadc45]

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6/21

Update East rankings...of note:

#1 Terrelle Pryor
#3 Shayne Hale
#6 Josh Jenkins
#7 Brendan Beal
#9 Kenny Tate
#10 Andrew Sweat
#13 Jonathan Baldwin
#24 Mike Yancich
#29 Lamar Thomas
#33 Kyle Long
#34 Christian Wilson (finally ranked somewhere closer to where I think he should be)
#37 Reggie Ellis (too low, IMO)
#65 Jack Crawford
#78 DeAndre Preaster

Also:

Interesting to compare where the PA prospects are ranked compared to the PGH report...here's both top 15s:

Scout
#1 Pryor
#2 Hale
#3 Nix
#4 Sweat
#5 Baldwin
#6 Burns
#7 Alexander
#8 Yancich
#9 Graham
#10 Holley
#11 Carraway
#12 Wilson
#13 Stankiewitch
#14 Wedderburn
#15 Saddler

PGH
#1 Pryor
#2 Hale
#3 Sweat
#4 Baldwin
#5 Nix
#6 Alexander
#7 Holley
#8 Graham
#9 Burns
#10 Wilson
#11 Yancich
#12 Moody
#13 Ramsey
#14 Wedderburn
#15 Robinson

The fact that these rankings are so similar furthers my opinion that Scouts ranking have far greater value this year than do Rivals. The only kid Scout and PGH really seem to just flat out disagree about is Nick Moody. PGH has him at #12 whereas Scout has him much further down the list (#91 in all of the East). I'm sure cheetah and EastSideScout will have much more to say about these rankings than I do.

[cheetah]

I think Rivals actually had Moody No. 5 in PA so Scout clearly dislikes him for some reason. But the kid did get offers from Florida State and Penn State. Scout's PA ratings are always a bit biased because Lichtenfels is a Pitt fan. For instance, a kid named Manny Williams was in no top 50's and was only offered by a few MAC schools. After Pitt offered and got a commit, he skyrocketed up their charts. The PSU fans are already all over Lictenfels for being a shil and saying that no kid who has mostly MAC schools should be above Moody and Posluszny. But other than falling in love with some Pitt kids, they do a better job, because usually Mike Farrell is out to lunch. Generally speaking, Scout falls in love with players and gets tunnel vision with them while Rivals rates them basically by who offers them.