11-02-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by matcar
I guess I'm in the minority on this because I like his attitude. He can't believe that someone is going to pay for him to learn. His mindset is that he was going to have to pay for this, and now he's shocked and happy he's going to get a free ride to learn. I like somebody that thinks like that. He's going to go to school to learn and play ball. Just my take FWIW...which is nothing.
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I think that is an excellent point...
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11-02-2007, 10:47 AM
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I can't specifically speak for football because he was still the centerpiece of the drumline when I was at St. X (  ), however one thing this kid does not lack is passion. He showed more passion on the basketball court than anyone else in the program while I was there. Attitude isn't something to worry about with this kid. You have to realize, until very recently his goal was to graduate from his local public school. He's not at a relatively prestigious and selective high school, and is on his way to go to college for free. |
That is good to hear. As a St. X alum myself, I had been hoping he got an offer. There was just something about his comments that made it seem like football was just a means to an end (free college education). I don't see anything wrong with that, but it made it seem like he might be better off at Stanford or Northwestern where he could get a great education and just sort of play football on the side.
Again, I have never met him and have no idea his passion, etc. Just seems like his attitude in that article was very different than that of many of the other recruits in the class. When talking about what he was looking for in a college, he didn't once mention winning a national championship (compare to Brewster, Shugarts, etc.). He didn't mention coaches that could help him be his best (compare to Thomas, Sweat, etc.). He didn't mention wanting to compete against the best in practice (Goebel and others).
I hope you are right and he is as big of a competitor as you say and that he comes here and thrives under the pressure of competition and big expectations.
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11-02-2007, 10:54 AM
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That is good to hear. As a St. X alum myself, I had been hoping he got an offer. There was just something about his comments that made it seem like football was just a means to an end (free college education). I don't see anything wrong with that, but it made it seem like he might be better off at Stanford or Northwestern where he could get a great education and just sort of play football on the side.
Again, I have never met him and have no idea his passion, etc. Just seems like his attitude in that article was very different than that of many of the other recruits in the class. When talking about what he was looking for in a college, he didn't once mention winning a national championship (compare to Brewster, Shugarts, etc.). He didn't mention coaches that could help him be his best (compare to Thomas, Sweat, etc.). He didn't mention wanting to compete against the best in practice (Goebel and others).
I hope you are right and he is as big of a competitor as you say and that he comes here and thrives under the pressure of competition and big expectations.
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His attitude will not be the same as those other guys in the class--but how could you expect it to be? Many of our other recruits have probably had playing football in college as a goal for many years. Greg has just had this opportunity opened to him.
...and just to share my favorite Scruggs moment: I was watching the JV X vs Moeller game before the varsity game ('06). It was a tightly contested game for the JV GCL title. At one point in the 4th quarter Greg absolutely stuffed this kid under the basket, and let out what I can only describe as a primeval roar lol. (Keep in mind that the kid's a generally well spoken and articulate person, so he's not normally running around yelling at people.) It was just great to see because it always seemed to me during my years at X that although we'd often have good basketball teams, few people showed the passion Greg played with.
Okay, story time's over. 
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11-02-2007, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tlinc
That is good to hear. As a St. X alum myself, I had been hoping he got an offer. There was just something about his comments that made it seem like football was just a means to an end (free college education). I don't see anything wrong with that, but it made it seem like he might be better off at Stanford or Northwestern where he could get a great education and just sort of play football on the side.
Again, I have never met him and have no idea his passion, etc. Just seems like his attitude in that article was very different than that of many of the other recruits in the class. When talking about what he was looking for in a college, he didn't once mention winning a national championship (compare to Brewster, Shugarts, etc.). He didn't mention coaches that could help him be his best (compare to Thomas, Sweat, etc.). He didn't mention wanting to compete against the best in practice (Goebel and others).
I hope you are right and he is as big of a competitor as you say and that he comes here and thrives under the pressure of competition and big expectations.
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I have a feeling that the student athletes at those schools don't look at football as a "side gig" and I think its pretty lousy that you make an assumption like that. I have a feeling that Tyrell Sutton doesn't view football as a "side" activity, and I dont think those kids at Stanford were just happy about being at Stanford when they beat USC.
This kid will be the first in his family to go to college, and to go for free has to be an amazing feeling....especially for a sport he has just starting
to play. So, if getting a free education is the first thing that pops into his mind should be something you applaude, not criticize.
Kids that don't take things for granted are the first ones in the weight room....the first ones at study table...the type of student athletes that make a program proud. They are the leaders and the backbone of everyteam.
There have been plenty of Hall of Fame football players that realize football isn't the end all be all. I actually find it quite refreshing that he his excited about the free education and not complaining about the money that the school is stealing from him.
Im sorry, I just can't see a negative in that 
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11-02-2007, 12:11 PM
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I have a feeling that the student athletes at those schools don't look at football as a "side gig" and I think its pretty lousy that you make an assumption like that. I have a feeling that Tyrell Sutton doesn't view football as a "side" activity, and I dont think those kids at Stanford were just happy about being at Stanford when they beat USC.
This kid will be the first in his family to go to college, and to go for free has to be an amazing feeling....especially for a sport he has just starting
to play. So, if getting a free education is the first thing that pops into his mind should be something you applaude, not criticize.
Kids that don't take things for granted are the first ones in the weight room....the first ones at study table...the type of student athletes that make a program proud. They are the leaders and the backbone of everyteam.
There have been plenty of Hall of Fame football players that realize football isn't the end all be all. I actually find it quite refreshing that he his excited about the free education and not complaining about the money that the school is stealing from him.
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Okay, I guess I worded that awkwardly. I didn't mean that they don't care about it there. I guess the opening paragraph just struck me as weird and a bit out of the ordinary for the type of football player that you normally see get an offer from Jim Tressel:
?I was in the band. I?m in love with playing drums. I?ve been playing the drums all of my life. I played football in grade school a little bit. Freshman year I didn?t want to. Sophomore year I thought about it, but then I didn?t want to. Our football team won state that year, so I was having a lot of fun in the band. Last year I started working with the football team and then I stopped because it wasn?t for me at the time. Once nothing was rolling around with the band, I played a little bit of basketball, but there was nothing too big there. My coaches kept telling me, ?man, if you want to be, you?re a division I football player. You just have to work at it.? It took a lot for me to really trust that. My best friend is Darius Ashley. He and my other friend Stephon Ball were saying that I should come out and that it would be a great experience and that I would have a lot of fun. So I decided to do it. I really just wanted to get college paid for. That was my main goal."
Again, not that big of a deal and I'm not trying to downgrade him. But, as a St. X student who played sports, I knew that there were a lot of kids who used sports as a way to get accepted to the college of their choice (Ivy league for example) or as a way to get a college scholarship. A lot of the ones who did that but didn't really love the sport they were playing quit after a year or two or after the first injury they got. They went on to receive great educations, great jobs and are good people. Their parents are proud of them and they did a great thing by working hard and finding a way to get college paid for. But, they were just using sports as a means to an end and did not care as much about winning NC's, being great players, etc.
Just an observation as an outsider after being struck by a couple comments in his interview. I'm not drawing a conclusion, but more throwing the question out there to people who have more knowledge. Does Greg love football? If he doesn't, does that have an effect on his ability to gut it out through the tough times (injuries, being buried on a depth chart, etc.)?
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11-02-2007, 12:18 PM
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I guess I'm in the minority on this because I like his attitude. He can't believe that someone is going to pay for him to learn. His mindset is that he was going to have to pay for this, and now he's shocked and happy he's going to get a free ride to learn. I like somebody that thinks like that. He's going to go to school to learn and play ball. Just my take FWIW...which is nothing.
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This has been one of the questions from tOSU...
Don't be surprised at all to see Greg go to a Northwestern or a Stanford...Michigan is in a great spot.
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Thats more like it tlinc....now I see where you are coming from!!
Pretty scary to think that he is that gifted of a person and athlete that he can pick choose what to do.....and excel at whatever he chooses.
I tend to think that if you are around individuals that are doing the same things as you, you tend to absorb some of the sentiment that they have.
You play in the band, you start to see what is enjoyable about being in the band. ( I wasn't in band, so Im not sure  )
You play baseball, you see the strategy and the smarts you have to have to know what to do in the limitless situations you get put in.
You play football, you see the closeness of a team, the thrill of Friday night/Saturday afternoon and the big play, and playing to help the guy next to you succeed.
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Okay, I guess I worded that awkwardly. I didn't mean that they don't care about it there. I guess the opening paragraph just struck me as weird and a bit out of the ordinary for the type of football player that you normally see get an offer from Jim Tressel:
?I was in the band. I?m in love with playing drums. I?ve been playing the drums all of my life. I played football in grade school a little bit. Freshman year I didn?t want to. Sophomore year I thought about it, but then I didn?t want to. Our football team won state that year, so I was having a lot of f | | |
