Ohio State 3, Southern Cal 35 (Sept. 13)

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by greyscarlet

As a JUNIOR CW made the monster look like a fuzzy stuffed toy with his 1,609, 15 TD performance. That against a conference that opts to play defense (usc the obvious exception to the pac10 rule). My bad east coast bias.

Thats how you see it, but on some football boards, they say the big-10 has no offenses, so thats why their defensive stats look good. On the other hand, pac-10 teams have more wide open offensive schemes, so the defensive stats are misleading. Its all varying opinions.

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by troy#1

Thats how you see it, but on some football boards, they say the big-10 has no offenses, so thats why their defensive stats look good. On the other hand, pac-10 teams have more wide open offensive schemes, so the defensive stats are misleading. Its all varying opinions.

2007 NCAA final rankings for scoring offense

B10
#24 Purdue
#29 MSU
#38 IU
#41 OSU
#45 PSU
#49 Wisc
#58 Ill
#63 scUM
#67 Minny
#72 NU
#110 Iowa

Pac 10
# 12 Oregon
#34 USC
#37 ASU
#50 Cal
#51 UW
#56 Arizona
#58 Oregon State
#73 WSU
#92 UCLA
#105 Stanford

I would tell some football boards to try again.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

2007 NCAA final rankings for scoring offense

B10
#24 Purdue
#29 MSU
#38 IU
#41 OSU
#45 PSU
#49 Wisc
#58 Ill
#63 scUM
#67 Minny
#72 NU
#110 Iowa

Pac 10
# 12 Oregon
#34 USC
#37 ASU
#50 Cal
#51 UW
#56 Arizona
#58 Oregon State
#73 WSU
#92 UCLA
#105 Stanford

I would tell some football boards to try again.

There are those stats again! Based on these, I would think that the pac-10 plays defense, and the big 10 doesnt. Here comes the defense stats! By the way, these are LAST year, so your point is moot. By the way, if you average it out, big-10 ave. ranking is 54, and the pac-10 is 56.8, so not much of a difference.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by troy#1

Were are the real defenses? Just curious.

Originally Posted by troy#1

RB was to busy spending money he got from friends. He wasnt worried about playing football,right?

Originally Posted by troy#1

The only time Leinert ran was when he was trying to catch paris hilton! LOL!

Originally Posted by troy#1

I guess SC will just forfeit the game, since they dont stand a chance!

Originally Posted by troy#1

Lighten up! I wasnt ripping a player, just making a joke! This is a game thread, not a court room testimony so dont take things so seriously!Man!

Originally Posted by troy#1

Do you REALLY want me to answer that? Thats what I thought!

Originally Posted by troy#1

I liked it better the way it was!

Originally Posted by troy#1

Originally Posted by troy#1

Thats how you see it, but on some football boards, they say the big-10 has no offenses, so thats why their defensive stats look good. On the other hand, pac-10 teams have more wide open offensive schemes, so the defensive stats are misleading. Its all varying opinions.

Originally Posted by troy#1

There are those stats again! Based on these, I would think that the pac-10 plays defense, and the big 10 doesnt. Here comes the defense stats! By the way, these are LAST year, so your point is moot.

Jiminy [censored]ing Cricket...do you have to reply to virtually every [censored]ing post in this thread? Seriously.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Jiminy [censored]ing Cricket...do you have to reply to virtually every [censored]ing post in this thread? Seriously.

WOW! Am I not supposed to reply on a thread? I thought this was a board for football conversations and questions. Alot of these are debate type questions and the topic is SC, the team I follow. So, sorry if you dont like it, but I dont know what else to tell you.

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by troy#1

There are those stats again! Based on these, I would think that the pac-10 plays defense, and the big 10 doesnt. Here comes the defense stats! By the way, these are LAST year, so your point is moot. By the way, if you average it out, big-10 ave. ranking is 54, and the pac-10 is 56.8, so not much of a difference.

I know, those pesky facts always get in the way of a good opinion don't they.

As far as the average goes thats disingenius at best. Look at the ranges.
Teams in the top 25: B10 1 Pac10 1
25-49: B10 5 Pac10 2
50-74: B10 4 Pac10 5
75-99: B10 0 Pac10 1
100+: B10 1 Pac10 1

B10 has a higher concentration of good offensive teams and anyway you want to slice it has an edge in scoring offense. This of course flies in the face of the assertation the B10 has no offensive teams therefore our defensive stats are inflated.

Speaking of the defensive stats:

2007 final NCAA rank in scoring D

B10
#1 OSU
#7 PSU
#12 Iowa
#23 scUM
#26 Illinois
#35 Wisc
#54 Purdue
#57 MSU
#69 IU
#88 NU
#109 Minny

Pac 10
#2 USC
#29 UCLA
#31 ASU
#33 Oregon State
#40 Oregon
#58 Cal
#59 UA
#65 Stanford
#92 UW
#97 WSU

Now some boards theories are completely shot in the ass.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

I know, those pesky facts always get in the way of a good opinion don't they.

As far as the average goes thats disingenius at best. Look at the ranges.
Teams in the top 25: B10 1 Pac10 1
25-49: B10 5 Pac10 2
50-74: B10 4 Pac10 5
75-99: B10 0 Pac10 1
100+: B10 1 Pac10 1

B10 has a higher concentration of good offensive teams and anyway you want to slice it has an edge in scoring offense. This of course flies in the face of the assertation the B10 has no offensive teams therefore our defensive stats are inflated.

Speaking of the defensive stats:

2007 final NCAA rank in scoring D

B10
#1 OSU
#7 PSU
#12 Iowa
#23 scUM
#26 Illinois
#35 Wisc
#54 Purdue
#57 MSU
#69 IU
#88 NU
#109 Minny

Pac 10
#2 USC
#29 UCLA
#31 ASU
#33 Oregon State
#40 Oregon
#58 Cal
#59 UA
#65 Stanford
#92 UW
#97 WSU

Now some boards theories are completely shot in the ass.

Not really. Since you like stats so much, take into account OOC teams each conference played. There ya go! Looks like all these stats dont mean squat! Quality opponents ooc versus non quality. Bottom line, slice it how you like, stats can be, and alot of times are misleading. I read all over how sec teams beef up there stats playing weak ooc teams. Start slicing!

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Jiminy [censored]ing Cricket...do you have to reply to virtually every [censored]ing post in this thread? Seriously.

Originally Posted by troy#1

WOW! Am I not supposed to reply on a thread? I thought this was a board for football conversations and questions. Alot of these are debate type questions and the topic is SC, the team I follow. So, sorry if you dont like it, but I dont know what else to tell you.

[rawn4203]

Football
Tony's Barwis-100 of Things to Look Forward to this Football Season
By Tony Gerdema



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"96. Seeing how terrible the Pac 10 is and how nobody seems to discount USC because of it."

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Uhhh, I guess this dude never saw either the Oregon at Michigan or USC vs Illinois (rose bowl) games.

Big 10 didnt look too good in either.

But hey, you just keep believing what u wanta believe. It's a free country.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by 'BusNative

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by rawn4203

Football
Tony's Barwis-100 of Things to Look Forward to this Football Season
By Tony Gerdema



...
"96. Seeing how terrible the Pac 10 is and how nobody seems to discount USC because of it."

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Uhhh, I guess this dude never saw either the Oregon at Michigan or USC vs Illinois (rose bowl) games.

Big 10 didnt look too good in either.

But hey, you just keep believing what u wanta believe. It's a free country.

EXACTLY!! Man, I couldnt tell who his favorite team is!

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by rawn4203

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You're constitution toward @@@@@ is weak.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by troy#1

Thats how you see it, but on some football boards, they say the big-10 has no offenses, so thats why their defensive stats look good. On the other hand, pac-10 teams have more wide open offensive schemes, so the defensive stats are misleading. Its all varying opinions.

[insert]Jaxbuck completely destroying claim[/insert]

Originally Posted by troy#1

There are those stats again! Based on these, I would think that the pac-10 plays defense, and the big 10 doesnt. Here comes the defense stats! By the way, these are LAST year, so your point is moot.

I'll assume those are the same boards that say Beanie wouldn't make the roster at USC. You're swinging wild again, T1. If you're going to mention stats on this board, you'd better look at them for yourself first. I assure you that if Jax hadn't posted those, about a dozen other people would have. I think the variations in opinion are due to one side doing research, and one not.

Defense looks even worse for the Pac-10. The majority of the Big Ten is in the top 40, majority Pac-10 - bottom 50. That's why you don't rate defense on offensive stats. If you have THIS year's stats, I'd love to see them.

2007 NCAA Football final rankings - Total Defense

Big Ten

1 Ohio State

11 Penn State

24 Michigan

31 Michigan State

36 Iowa

38 Wisconsin

38 Wisconsin

63 Purdue

71 Indiana

77 Northwestern

119 Minnesota

Pac=10

2 USC

8 Oregon State

29 UCLA

30 Arizona State

53 Arizona

58 California

60 Oregon

87 Washington State

98 Stanford

103 Washington

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by generaladm

[insert]Jaxbuck completely destroying claim[/insert]



I'll assume those are the same boards that say Beanie wouldn't make the roster at USC. You're swinging wild again, T1. If you're going to mention stats on this board, you'd better look at them for yourself first. I assure you that if Jax hadn't posted those, about a dozen other people would have. I think the variations in opinion are due to one side doing research, and one not.

Defense looks even worse for the Pac-10. The majority of the Big Ten is in the top 40, majority Pac-10 - bottom 50. That's why you don't rate defense on offensive stats. If you have THIS year's stats, I'd love to see them.

2007 NCAA Football final rankings - Total Defense

Big Ten

1 Ohio State

11 Penn State

24 Michigan

31 Michigan State

36 Iowa

38 Wisconsin

38 Wisconsin

63 Purdue

71 Indiana

77 Northwestern

119 Minnesota

Pac=10

2 USC

8 Oregon State

29 UCLA

30 Arizona State

53 Arizona

58 California

60 Oregon

87 Washington State

98 Stanford

103 Washington

You left out the part about ooc opponents. Also, what I am saying is stats can be misleading, for instance, SC#34 off., stanford#105 off., SC#2 def., stanford#65 def. SC loses Doesnt add up. OSU#41 off.,Ill.#58 off. OSU#1 def., Ill.##26 def. Who wins? Thats all I am trying to say. Stats dont always tell the story, and cant figure things into it like emotions, rivalries, things like that.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by rawn4203

Uhhh, I guess this dude never saw either the Oregon at Michigan or USC vs Illinois (rose bowl) games.

Uhhh, I guess you missed the part where ORE and USC lost all of their best players from last year.