LB Bobby Carpenter (official thread)

[SNIPER26]

Originally Posted by billmac91

I think you nailed it Sniper. Cowboys saw a hybrid DE/OLD and thought he'd be the perfect OLB in their scheme but unfortunately it hasn't worked out. I thought Dallas would be a good fit for him so I'm pretty surprised, but he was just too good at tOSU to not have any value outside of special teams in the NFL.

I think a 4-3 scheme will do him well, and he will become a solid player somewhere. I sure know the Benglas could use an OLB.

He could be a good SAM in a 4-3. 3-4 OLB's tend to be great pass rushers. Carpenter was good but I never thought HOLY [censored] when I watched him. For example, I think HOLY [censored] when I think of Gholston in a 3-4 OLB spot, but he obviously couldn't be a 4-3 OLB.

Anywhoo, for Carpenter to reach his potential, he needs to go to a 4-3 team, and his compadre, Spears, should do the same and play as a UT in the 4-3.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

He could be a good SAM in a 4-3. 3-4 OLB's tend to be great pass rushers. Carpenter was good but I never thought HOLY [censored] when I watched him. For example, I think HOLY [censored] when I think of Gholston in a 3-4 OLB spot, but he obviously couldn't be a 4-3 OLB.

Anywhoo, for Carpenter to reach his potential, he needs to go to a 4-3 team, and his compadre, Spears, should do the same and play as a UT in the 4-3.

I don't follow the Cowboys extremely closely, but I've always liked Spears. I don't know if they;re planning in letting him go or moving him, but every game I've watched he's had an impact in. Seems very athletic and fast. Maybe I haven't watched enough.

I know for a fact the Browns need an OLB either through FA or the draft. Anybody with 2 working legs and a pulse has to be faster than Willie McGinest at this point. Even though Bobby should be in a 4-3, I think a lot of people would be happy to see him in a Borwns uni.

[SNIPER26]

Originally Posted by billmac91

I don't follow the Cowboys extremely closely, but I've always liked Spears. I don't know if they;re planning in letting him go or moving him, but every game I've watched he's had an impact in. Seems very athletic and fast. Maybe I haven't watched enough.

I know for a fact the Browns need an OLB either through FA or the draft. Anybody with 2 working legs and a pulse has to be faster than Willie McGinest at this point. Even though Bobby should be in a 4-3, I think a lot of people would be happy to see him in a Borwns uni.

I kind of follow the Cowboys seeing as how I'm an Eagles fan. I tend to stay up to date with my rival teams. He's a terrible fit as 3-4 End, but I think he would be a very good 4-3 UT. He reminds me of Dorsey.

I know Browns fans want to see an OSU player, but I don't think moving from a 3-4 to a 3-4 would do much for Carpenter. With your lack of a first round pick, I could see maybe ***breathe*** Michigan's Shawn Crable who would be an excellent rush backer, or maybe Auburn's Quentin Groves, Georgia Tech's Phil Wheeler or Maryland's Erin Henderson. Florida's Derrick Harvey is another possibility.

Either way, Carpenter must be moved to a 4-3 to amount to anything besides the bust he currently is. Lots of potential, but stuck behind some good LBs in Dallas in a scheme that doesn't match his strengths.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

I kind of follow the Cowboys seeing as how I'm an Eagles fan. I tend to stay up to date with my rival teams. He's a terrible fit as 3-4 End, but I think he would be a very good 4-3 UT. He reminds me of Dorsey.

I know Browns fans want to see an OSU player, but I don't think moving from a 3-4 to a 3-4 would do much for Carpenter. With your lack of a first round pick, I could see maybe ***breathe*** Michigan's Shawn Crable who would be an excellent rush backer, or maybe Auburn's Quentin Groves, Georgia Tech's Phil Wheeler or Maryland's Erin Henderson. Florida's Derrick Harvey is another possibility.

Either way, Carpenter must be moved to a 4-3 to amount to anything besides the bust he currently is. Lots of potential, but stuck behind some good LBs in Dallas in a scheme that doesn't match his strengths.

I agree Bobby is better suited in a 4-3. All I was saying is that he'd be an immediate improvement from Willie McGinest. It actually says a lot for the depth of Dallas that Bobby Carpenter is this expendible.

I follow the ACC a decent amount being an FSU grad, and I think Erin Henderson belongs in a 4-3. Regarding Crable, it fits the Browns style to take a Michigan man. It just seems to be Clevelands' MO. I'm not completely sold on Shawn(lots of missed tackles) but if he's there in round 2 for Cleveland I wouldn't hate the pick. I think Derrick Harvey is a pipe dream for us in round 2. If he were there, I think he'd be a no brainer. He fits the Kamerion Wimbley mold in size and style when comparing their play in college. I don't know enough about Groves or Wheeler truthfully.

I do know Bobby will find a home and most likely succeed because that is the type of guy he is. He really is very talented, and has made a name for himself in special teams if nothing else. It will deinately be an entertaining off-season as teams look for fits in their system.

[osucollegebuck]

Originally Posted by BuckStocksHere

There are only a handful of QB's I think I would trade Romo out for... one is in the superbowl, one was in it last year....other than that....not seeing it.

By the way - I think Dallas had more former Buckeyes than most teams(at least at one point not long ago).

still - carp is way overrated. When your 1st round pick can only shine on special teams - it is a bust no matter how you slice it.

I'd be shocked if they get anything better than a 5th rounder for him...and I'd trade him immediately if so.

Unfortunately - I think Terry Glenn's career might well be over with knee surgery.

No actually Dallas doesn't really have a tradition of having Buckeyes. I know the Boys have a great tradition in the NFL but they are not really a hot bed for Ohio State players.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by osucollegebuck

No actually Dallas doesn't really have a tradition of having Buckeyes. I know the Boys have a great tradition in the NFL but they are not really a hot bed for Ohio State players.

How about the 2 year period in which they had Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Derek Ross, Tyson Walter, Michael Wiley, Ken Yon Rambo, and Eddie George?

I'd say that's pretty solid.

[osucollegebuck]

Originally Posted by billmac91

How about the 2 year period in which they had Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Derek Ross, Tyson Walter, Michael Wiley, Ken Yon Rambo, and Eddie George?

I'd say that's pretty solid.

I was just looking at the Universities web site and their overall record isn't that great. Again, just my opinion.

[Buckskin86]

Bobby Carpenter ? I admit it, when we drafted Bobby Carpenter I thought he would be a player for us. So far, that hasn?t happened. In his rookie campaign, the Cowboys probably made a mistake by teaching him two positions, inside and outside linebacker, and he never really became comfortable. Eventually, Parcells put him on the outside and he got some playing time late in 2006 when Greg Ellis went down with injury. I watched him closely in film reviews during those games and I came away with the thought that he just wasn?t strong enough yet and had poor technique in shedding blockers. His instincts seemed OK, he was usually in position but he just couldn?t shed the blockers and would get pushed back trying to hold the point of attack, even by tight ends. Down the stretch he did have a couple of good games capped by a stellar effort in the Seattle playoff game.

Coming into camp in 2007 my thought was that a full offseason training regimen at Valley Ranch would give him the strength needed to really become a player. I watched him closely at training camp and came away a little disappointed because he wasn?t making plays that stood out. Wade Phillips stated that he gave him an opportunity to show what he could do in a preseason game and that Carpenter failed miserably earning him a permanent spot on the bench. This was as close as I ever heard Phillips criticize a player by name. The most we saw of Carpenter in 2007 was on special teams where he did a decent job and he was also slowed by a quad injury that stayed with him most of the year. That brings us to 2008, a critical year for Carpenter in terms of his future with the Cowboys. There have already been rumblings that the Cowboys are seeking to trade him and if they can get something decent in return then I wouldn?t have a problem with that. If they aren?t going to use him they might as well get something for him. If he stays with the team he needs to show marked improvement in training camp and preseason so that he can earn some time on the playing field. It doesn?t bode well for a player when two respected coaches with tons of defensive knowledge (Parcells, Phillips) have seen fit to not play him with any regularity. Carpenter needs to bully his way into the lineup this year or he?ll probably end up with another team trying to resurrect his career.

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