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Yes, and Jerry Rice was "known" to be slow. By everyone except the cornerbacks he blew past.

Santonio's combination of speed and strength will make him a very dangerous long threat in the NFL.
which is exactly why it isn't a diss and nobody should be bitching about it.
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Florida’s Chad Jackson has passed Ohio State’s Santonio Holmes as the top receiver in the NFL draft, at least according The Sporting News. The weekly says "Holmes didn’t help his stock by showing up at Ohio State’s pro day weighing 179 pounds, nearly 9 pounds lighter than his weight at the combine. He has good straight-line speed, but scouts worry he might not have elite quickness or burst."

Jackson, meanwhile, is described as "big and strong (6 feet 1, 213 pounds), and his 4.32-second 40-yard dash at the combine caught scouts’ attention." At Florida’s pro day, he "ran solid routes, performed well in position drills and showed his knowledge of the game while breaking down film with coaches."
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it's amazing how obsessed some scouts are with workouts. Holmes has been bringing it for three years, including against top CBs like Jackson.

Chad Jackson was about the 3rd target on his own team according to some UF fans. He had issues with drops at times. He slid to avoid contact on one play.

Both are fine prospects, but to let measurables override far better production from holmes is just foolish.

lacking explosion? please. Perhaps he does not possess gamebreaking ability/speed like Moss or Ginn, but when was he caught from behind?
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it's amazing how obsessed some scouts are with workouts. Holmes has been bringing it for three years, including against top CBs like Jackson.

Chad Jackson was about the 3rd target on his own team according to some UF fans. He had issues with drops at times. He slid to avoid contact on one play.

Both are fine prospects, but to let measurables override far better production from holmes is just foolish.

lacking explosion? please. Perhaps he does not possess gamebreaking ability/speed like Moss or Ginn, but when was he caught from behind?
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In the fiesta bowl this year
That's because he slowed down. I couldn't tell if you were being serious.
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The Sporting News is getting caught up in the glamour of the 4.32 40 yard dash. Maybe they forgot about Santonio's pro day times? Anyways, The Sporting News is alone when it comes to thinking Chad Jackson will be drafted ahead of Santonio.
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The Sporting News is getting caught up in the glamour of the 4.32 40 yard dash. Maybe they forgot about Santonio's pro day times? Anyways, The Sporting News is alone when it comes to thinking Chad Jackson will be drafted ahead of Santonio.
They are not alone.
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Several sources have been trumpeting Jackson as the better prospect due to his size/speed combo. Santonio probably hurt himself a little showing up to pro day at 179 pounds (which anyway you slice it is small-ish for an NFL reciever). He'll get back up to his prior weight, but that didn't help him, even with the great 40 times. It'll be interesting to see who goes first (and they are both 1st rounders)...Santonio the more polished/fundamentally sound player vs. Jackson's combine numbers and "potential".
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By Len Pasquarelli
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Ohio State wide receiver Santonio Holmes, regarded by many teams as the top prospect at his position in the 2006 draft, has addressed a weighty matter that had troubled some scouts.

During a private workout on Friday for Miami Dolphins coaches and personnel officials, Holmes weighed in at 187 pounds, just one pound shy of his normal playing weight. Why was that so important? Because at a phase of the draft evaluation process in which scouts are examining every perceived wart, teams had been concerned about Holmes' weight loss earlier this month.

At his "pro day" workout March 9 on the Ohio State campus, Holmes had weighed just 179 pounds. Two weeks before that, at the NFL combine sessions in Indianapolis, his official weight was 188 pounds.

"I think what scouts didn't realize at the 'pro day' was that I had been fighting the flu for about a week," a relieved Holmes said after the session Friday with a group of Miami officials that included head coach Nick Saban. "I was on antibiotics, to try to fight the flu off, and they made me nauseated, and I couldn't eat. But even with all that, I thought I had a good enough workout that [my weight] shouldn't have been an issue."

In that workout, Holmes, who did not run the 40-yard sprint at the combine, was clocked between 4.32 and 4.36 seconds by most scouts. That's the kind of blistering 40 time most had anticipated from Holmes, one of the top big-play threats in the draft pool, and a guy who averaged 15.5 yards every time he touched the ball for the Buckeyes as a receiver, runner and return man.

Some scouts, though, already had a few questions about Holmes' durability, even though the 5-feet-10 5/8 wide receiver never missed a college game because of injury. They closely scrutinized the weight loss, and privately fretted about Holmes' stamina.

"I understand they worry about all that stuff but, if they just go back and check, they'll see that I've played my entire career here in the 188[-pound] range, took a lot of hits, and got up," Holmes said. "I never had a major injury, and I played in a big-time conference. But I guess [the weight] was important to them, and so I made sure, after I shook the flu, to eat three meals every day and to get back to where I'm supposed to be. Unless I get sick again, and that was a fluke, believe me, I'll be 187-188 when teams come to see me. It's not like I've ever had a problem keeping weight on."

With general manager Randy Mueller throwing to him on Friday, Holmes reportedly caught the ball well.

By the time Holmes enters his first NFL training camp, he figures his weight can in the 192-pound range, because he hopes to add a bit more bulk to help him deal with the rigors of the next level. Anything more than that, Holmes said, and he probably wouldn't be comfortable.

In his three college seasons, Holmes caught 140 passes for 2,295 yards and 25 touchdowns. Although his receptions fell off slightly in 2005 from the previous season, his average per catch improved by 4½ yards and he scored 11 times. Holmes also returned 38 punts for a 10.1-yard average and one touchdown during his OSU career, and averaged 22.4 yards on 19 kickoff returns.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
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Mel Kiper has Santonio pegged as the 21st pick of the 1st round going to the Patriots, behind the WR from Florida. This is the latest I've seen Santonio going in the draft thus far.

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Hey everyone. I'm the new Santonio fan on this board. I love this kid so much and I want the Pats to select him at #21. He is the perfect fit for the Pats as we have a huge need at WR. Holmes is the best overall WR in this draft and reminds me a lot of Hines Ward/ a poor man's Marvin Harrison.
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Hey everyone. I'm the new Santonio fan on this board. I love this kid so much and I want the Pats to select him at #21. He is the perfect fit for the Pats as we have a huge need at WR. Holmes is the best overall WR in this draft and reminds me a lot of Hines Ward/ a poor man's Marvin Harrison.
Welcome, HolmestoPats. The Pats would be lucky and in great fortune to gat Holmes at 21, but trust me, Holmes is not a poor man's anything. He is a bigger Steve Smith, and comparable to Santana Moss. I believe he will be a very good WR in the league.
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holmes has the skill set to develop into a stud like Harrison, but he cannot match the speed of Smith/Moss.
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