DE/LB Mike Vrabel (KC Chiefs-NE super bowl champion)

[Buckskin86]

Congrats Mike!

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The Boston Globe reported on Monday that there are several players who have spent the offseason trying to better themselves for live after football. Patriots linebacker Matt Chatham reportedly works as a researcher and reporter in New York for Esquire magazine, while defensive end Jarvis Green is gaining professional experience in engine building at Rolls-Royce in Walpole. According to the newspaper both are among the more than 200 players reportedly participating in offseason internships. Mike Vrabel will receive his degree in pre-med from Ohio State next month.

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by Buckskin86

Congrats Mike!

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that's just idiotic. There is no such thing as a "Pre-Med" degree. I see that this reporter did his job.

[Clarity]

Originally Posted by tibor75

that's just idiotic. There is no such thing as a "Pre-Med" degree. I see that this reporter did his job.

Use the term 'reporter' loosely with this one;

"spent the offseason trying to better themselves for live after football."

Congrats to Mike. Although I think he's years away from needing to worry about what his degree can do for him, it's great to hear that he's finishing it up.

My question is, when a former player graduates this long after leaving the program, does it play a role in how our grad rates are tabulated?

[Bucklion]

There is a pre-med degree some places..not sure if OSU has one.

[ClancyWiggum]

My question is, when a former player graduates this long after leaving the program, does it play a role in how our grad rates are tabulated?


If I recall correctly, it does not.

I believe an individual has to graduate from the university within 6 years of his first enrollment at the school in order to count positively towards grad rates. Otherwise, he is considered as one more that did not graduate in the eyes of the NCAA.
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clancy nailed that question......yet another example of how graduation rates are a joke....

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

It's not like other schools have different rules than OSU! So how are grad. rates a joke??

[Clarity]

Originally Posted by NOTREDAMECHIEF

It's not like other schools have different rules than OSU! So how are grad. rates a joke??

They may play by the same rules, but they don't send the same number of athletes to the pros. Many also don't recruit top tier athletes year in and year out. Kids who in some cases are almost entirely focused on being athletes -- Clarett is an example.

JT has done a great job with his self-imposed restrictions on the kids with questionable academic standings, but we're always going to have lower grad rates than Northwestern, Notre Dame, Stanford, etc., because we're going to have better athletes across the board, more kids focused primarily on athletics, and more moving on to the pro leagues.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by Clarity

They may play by the same rules, but they don't send the same number of athletes to the pros. Many also don't recruit top tier athletes year in and year out. Kids who in some cases are almost entirely focused on being athletes -- Clarett is an example.

JT has done a great job with his self-imposed restrictions on the kids with questionable academic standings, but we're always going to have lower grad rates than Northwestern, Notre Dame, Stanford, etc., because we're going to have better athletes across the board, more kids focused primarily on athletics, and more moving on to the pro leagues.

The other thing that may be noted is the dismissal of players due to problems in the academia relam of the University experience. As, bad of rap as Cooper got he ran of a handfull of players every year, which really hurts your graduation rates, this same weeding out process is still used by Tressel. Many schools have programs to "run" players through, look at the OSU roster and maybe you can say Sports and Leisure Studies, but that is an education major, so a kinesology major for example is absent at the University.

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

Clarity - ND has MORE players in the NFL than OSU.

[BuckeyeInTheBoro]

OK... I'm gonna' break it down for ND:

"It's not like other schools have different rules than OSU!"
In this context "other schools" is every school which is NOT OSU... this set includes, but is not limited to ND.

"They may play by the same rules, but they don't send the same number of athletes to the pros."
Using the obvious usage of "they" as a substitute for "other schools" Clarity took your question seriously (instead of treating it as the bait that it was) and answered in kind. He was quite correct to say that "they" do NOT send as many players to the pros as OSU.

In conclusion, the following post is completely irrelevant: "Clarity - ND has MORE players in the NFL than OSU."

Now, since you brought it up let's argue what you really want to argue... "calculating players going pro early would not improve OSUs graduation rate as compared to NDs".
To properly determine this you would need to look at a specific year or set of years and determine the players going pro prior to graduating and the number of them that returned to obtain their degrees at a later date. You can then determine if one school has an advantage over another in the current formula for graduation rates (which statistically speaking are a joke). You'll find that the number of players curently in the NFL will be irrelevant in your calculations.

Please go do your research now and get back to me. I'm curious to see who's right.

I almost forgot... Congrats Mike!

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

All schools have players that leave early and all schools have players that come back and graduate so it all evens out for the most part. But even if a school had a player leave early and one return and graduate the next it would only make a &% swing on a 15 player class. And I would obviously include OSU in that catagory with the amazing number of players your school has put in the NFL the last few years. Hey I gotta give you all credit for that....

You are right "they " may not send as many players to the pros if you are referring to Stanford and NW but "they" would then not include ND.

[BuckeyeInTheBoro]

You are right "they " may not send as many players to the pros if you are referring to Stanford and NW but "they" would then not include ND.

No they wouldn't... if you'll re-read this post YOU are the only one including ND... as usual. Do you have a picture of your graduation rate trophy?

[MililaniBuckeye]

NEVERDONECOMPLAINING: Clarity - ND has MORE players in the NFL than OSU.

Notre Dame has 49 players while Ohio State has 48...one frickin' player. However, how many of those ND players left early for the pros? Not as many as Ohio State. Thus ND has their players around longer and have a better chance of graduating those that do.

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

Wishing you were pounding- It's not like OSU'S grad. rates are anywhere near ND's and as I said it would only make at the most a 7% diff.

According to NFLPLAYERS.COM ND has 45 OSU 40 !! And yes I realize the gap is closing FAST.......