WR Albert Dukes - (transfer to Valdosta St.)

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by buckzip

Gotta love how certain people continue to defend JT. These are the same people that if Coop was the coach would be saying he should be hung.

I know JT isn't a baby sitter. But I also know even without the MOC situation, that things seem out of control with this team. I know though as long as he suspends the guy, he is doing fine.

I know alot of the defenders will say it happens everywhere, but is it this bad at other places? Maybe a few places, but those are the places we used to make fun of.

I always read the "he is a JT kind of recruit" because he is a good person, bla, bla, bla. Wow, I would hate for us to get a non JT type of recruit.

agreed. Since JT has the national title, people will find all sorts of reasons to excuse his players. But once Marco Cooper was arrested it was, "Big deal. He was a scumbag Cooper recruit. Typical." The funny thing is that people don't even realize they're being hypocrites.

[jwinslow]

Alright, this is just getting absurd.

Tressel needs to take steps (which I'm sure he's doing and is capable of realizing without our help) to bring this program under a little more control.

That being said, Clarett was handled about as well as could be handled without breaking the rules, and he still caused trouble.

Dukes - the kid committed a crime before he got to school. Are you going to hold a college, boot camp supervisor, or any other institution liable for something that happened BEFORE they got there? That might be the most idiotic of comments we're seeing.

Reynolds was not a tressel recruit. That being said, he apologized immediately afterwards and Sorgi accepted it (which he didn't have to do). I believe Reynolds was reprimanded for it. Tressel cannot keep players from snapping, he can only handle it afterwards. You can preach all day about acting the right way, but everyone capable of snapping to some degree or another in the heat of the moment.

And as far as Smith goes, again, this is not something that Tressel can control. He can penalize Smith, and may never put him in the starting QB spot again. NONE of you know the details surrounding this, and so none of you should try and pass judgment on him. This penalty that is being laid on Smith might prove to be the closest thing to kicking him off the team for good, since he may always be the #2 or #3 guy thru graduation.

So yes there are things that need to be done. I would say there is more that Geiger needs to do as an AD than Tressel can do. But this isn't Tressel's doing, this could happen anywhere. So please do not lump this crap about Dukes with the other far too long list of incidents at OSU recently. It is just an absurd argument.

[jimotis4heisman]

ok now that ive given stadium his response ill put in my personal thought:

if charges where filed july 8th as have been stated i whod not of allowed dukes to play until things were settled, and not let him on my team, i realize you cannot hold up enrollment based on accusations or charges so that is not the answer.

if he was actually orginally booked/the charges were filed on july 8th im [censored]ed. flat out no questions asked. like troys issue time will sort this out and the facts will surface.

norma mcgill once again get a credible source (if they are in an insane asylum i dont consider that credible)

[OH10]

norma mcgill once again get a credible source (if they are in an insane asylum i dont consider that credible)

I don't really intend to drag this on any further. I've said my piece and am quite certain that I have made enough enemies for being critical of the program. But I would like to elaborate on the McGill situation. By herself, she is not a credible source. If I were a prosecutor, I would not put a case on her shoulders. But, other individuals have come out describing a culture of academic fraud at OSU. Pagac, Carter, and a few others have stated that there has been cheating going on at OSU. These are just the people willing to come out and say. I believe that these players lend some credence to what McGill was talking about. Her psychological problems raise doubt, but don't mean she is lying. In my opinion, there is something there.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by StadiumDorm

Typical of what the Ohio State fan culture is nowadays. It's always someone else's fault. Blame everyone else. Tressel and Geiger can't be responsible. Defend the coaches. Defend the boosters. Defend the administration. Place all the blame on the players. If you can't blame a player, find someone else... like ESPN or Norma McGill. There's no way that any of this reflects bad on Ohio State. Everyone has it out for Ohio STate.

Has anybody thought about this? Who has it out for OSU? Why? All of this is irrational.
...

Look at the tape Mili. Will Smith, our senior captian and leader, had back to back late hits on the QB, both blatantly late. He even stood over the QB on one. Where was he on the next play? On the field. What kind of message does that send? huh?

Tell me what you think Tressel should do right now with Dukes. What should he have done with every other person you've listed in this thread so far? Would you have sat Will Smith down for a series, or benched him for the game? You think Norma Gill should be applauded for her bravely coming forth?

Originally Posted by tibor75

agreed. Since JT has the national title, people will find all sorts of reasons to excuse his players. But once Marco Cooper was arrested it was, "Big deal. He was a scumbag Cooper recruit. Typical." The funny thing is that people don't even realize they're being hypocrites.

Isn't it hard to type with John Cooper's dick up your ass?

[jimotis4heisman]

mili, if norma mcgill is telling the truth, yes absolutely she should be. i just question her not only on her mental status at the time, but her past mental status. the dispatch did an article on her and how she had been in 3 mental hospitals prior to the moc thing. imo she shold not have been in the classroom.

look at moc too. remember jim brown and his andy geiger is a slave driver/jt bashing comments. look at what he has said recently, "they run a good clean ship" he "respects" geiger, though he doesnt necesarlly agree with him and his praise for jt. i am not taking sides on the tressel thing time will tend and i will make a rational decision.

and pagac and carter said they knew "stuff like that happenes" when confronted they both never named names and even backpeddaled on those comments.

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by StadiumDorm

Pagac, Carter, and a few others have stated that there has been cheating going on at OSU. In my opinion, there is something there.

UN-BE-LIEVABLE!

Question asked of Carter: can you get a tutor at OSU to do your homework?

Answer given: yeah, but so can any kid at OSU, you don't have to be a football player.

Misquoted intentionally in ESPN writeup: Carter described atmosphere where players could get homework done for them by players.


He wasn't one of the ridiculous sources that are easy to write off. But you missed the whole point. Carter said he was answering whether or not a student could get a paper written for him, and ESPN used that to twist his words and make it sound as if it were a perk of being a football player. Yet they did it well enough to avoid being guilty of libel.

[osugrad21]

Pagac, Carter, and a few others have stated that there has been cheating going on at OSU. These are just the people willing to come out and say. I believe that these players lend some credence to what McGill was talking about.

You apparently missed the part where they both said their words were twisted and misquoted. However, that does not fit into your Evil Empire argument so I'd imagine that is why you chose to omit that fact.

Typical of what the Ohio State fan culture is nowadays. It's always someone else's fault. Blame everyone else. Tressel and Geiger can't be responsible. Defend the coaches. Defend the boosters. Defend the administration. Place all the blame on the players. If you can't blame a player, find someone else... like ESPN or Norma McGill. There's no way that any of this reflects bad on Ohio State. Everyone has it out for Ohio STate.

Apparently you are drinking your hypocrisy brew tonight...so the players mess up but we should blame coaches, boosters, tutors, etc? Seems like you are chasing your own tail there.

The NCAA investigated everything McGill said and did not find a thing...nada, zilch. Yet, you choose to believe that these allegations are true. Your mind is made up, the University is a hellhole of cheating SOBs and JT is the head honcho...

Get a grip and stay out of the paintchips

[LightningRod]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

ok now that ive given stadium his response ill put in my personal thought:

if charges where filed july 8th as have been stated i whod not of allowed dukes to play until things were settled, and not let him on my team, i realize you cannot hold up enrollment based on accusations or charges so that is not the answer.

if he was actually orginally booked/the charges were filed on july 8th im [censored]ed. flat out no questions asked. like troys issue time will sort this out and the facts will surface.

norma mcgill once again get a credible source (if they are in an insane asylum i dont consider that credible)

I agree that Dukes should not have been allowed to play until things were settled. However, the fact that charges were refiled by the victim (not the prosecutor, but the victim) who insisted to police that they be refiled again suggests that the prosector or police either dropped this case or refused to go forward with it. In other words, the matter at some point was resolved in the sense that either the prosecution or the police did not believe there was sufficient evidence to go forward, the victim was not cooperating, was not credible, or any combination of these or other matters.

[jimotis4heisman]

very true.

[JohnnyCockfight]

Norma McGill made her accusations after being expelled from OSU for pyschological reasons, in an unethical fashion considering her relationship to students at the time the alleged misconduct occurred, and before assaulting another at her church(!) in northern Kentucky. She is not credible, period.

After all of this, ESPN highlighted her on its website's frontpage as one of four "Women of Courage" who risked themselves personally to do some noble good for society. ESPN is therefore not credible.

Others have responded to the credibility of Carter's and Pagac's comments, and not surprisingly, the bull[censored] of it all evolves back to ESPN.

If Dukes is guilty of what he's being charged with, he will pay dearly. That's a big IF, and it would then also be the correct person to punish.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Did Tressel or anyone on staff even know that the original charges were filed? And even if they did, what ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

[jimotis4heisman]

i dont know... ask mr irizarry his ass was out of school and band from university property before his court date was set.

[TheHope18]

To me this isn't that big of a deal...if he gets found guilty, then he'll be gone...if he isn't, then he obviously isn't guilty and won't be...how does this have anything to do with Tressell, Geiger, Clarett, Norma Gill or anyone else? I seriously hope this place is on melt down, like the other boards, I'm getting tired of people being sick and sad about what the school is going through....cause quite frankly, if this stuff comes true, there will be consequences, and there will still be an athletic department....I know I'm a buckeye for life, and I hope everyone else is.....I think even if Dukes was found guilty, I'd make a "Free Albert Dukes" T- Shirt and wear it proudly!

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

i dont know... ask mr irizarry his ass was out of school and band from university property before his court date was set.

I didn't know he was in the band...oh, you mean "banned". So, one bad apple and you're going to hold that against the staff forever...