QB Troy Smith - 2006 Heisman Winner - (Baltimore Ravens)

[BuckeyeNation27]

Let me tell you something how can you come out and bust Smith for going 8-12 and NO INT's?

in garbage time against a cover 4.

You're a sorry excuse for a buckeye fan ..... For god sakes he only got to play late 3rd and all the 4th!!!!

cuz hes not the starter...thus, not as good.

Along with that and we just seemed to Hand the ball off pretty much through the early 4th!! Give this kid a break! Yeah Smith came out and said something bout him not playing but jesus wouldn't you do the same if you wanted to freak'n play and you were told that you were just as good?

i know i wouldnt.....im not a crybaby. i might have had my mom come to practice though

Oh not to mention the starting QB Zwick has been struggling??? You just expect this kid to stand back and say the hell with me starting and I'll just be a damn coach for the next 3 years?

yep. if you arent as good...zip your lip

You wanna talk about a botched handoff to freak'n Lydel Ross? who's to say that Ross wasn't the one who was wrong?

im sure ross...who has taken thousands of snaps from zwick, just happened to fumble the one from the new QB smith.

Smith atleast holds on to the ball if you wanna say something about Zwick/Smith comparison.

QBs arent supposd to hold on to the ball...theyre supposed to throw it

I love both these boys and I hope they both could start but that just doesn't happen, but the fact that you can come on here and go crazy on the kid for going 8-12 is just beyond my believe. So what if they were playing Cover 4? Did you see his throws to Hamby/Nicol?

did you see the passes to holmes against marshall?

The kid can play and he puts zing on the ball as well as a nice look'n spiral!

so can i....i just cant aim for [censored].

The point is he completed the passes and moved the chains.

cover 4.

Another thing is I noticed Smith doesn't really lock on to just one reciever so wouldn't that help us distribute the little offense we get, and maybe once in a while spring someone for a big gain?

yes.

Bottom Line is you should support every player on this team whether its a win or loss.

like everybody is supporting Zwick, Ross, Bollman, Snyder, Tressel, the OLine.....



i love being 's advocate

[bukIpower]

I agree with all of you guys except for one of course on this matter. I believe the O-line definatly needs addressed, and I'm with Rick James that Zwick not only turned the ball over in the Endzone but he left this defense in horrible conditions numerous times.


You guys are a class act and great buckeye fans!

Dihard-Look man sorry I blew up, but you shouldn't take shotz at Smith when he clearly did what he could do, and for the most part did a fairly decent job.

GO BUCKS!!!

[Def]

Look, I'm not saying Smith is a lot better than Zwick. It is obviously not the case, and I never thought it was. Both have their stengths and with a normal offense Zwick may indeed be the better choice. I'm just saying I that I think Smith would probably be better at executing the type of offense OSU needs to run to have any success at all at this point.

[hotrodr123]

Originally Posted by bukIpower

What I saw in Smith was he's faster, throws a nicer ball, Goes through OPTIONS, and Last and most important doesnt' fumble or throw INT's.

Go bucks!

Both Smith and Zwick had fumbles.

look....lets all bury this horse and go on to the real problems....

i think either zwick or smith are great qb's.....

but when you have no running game....a line that gives you 1.5 seconds to throw and receivers that run "horsecrap" routes....you are limited...

i mean both of these kids are elite 11....

i think us posters are caught up in bitching about qb's because it is easier....instead of addressing the real issues...which i have attempted to do in other threads i have started tonite....

[bukIpower]

I agree the system is pretty out there and that needs addressed in the offseason NO DOUBT about it. However right now Smith gives this Offense the best chance at succedding like someone stated. He just has more athletic ability, and frankly can get the ball there in a hurry if he has to. You know I was just think'n and I wanna see what you guys think.

First 2 games Zwick did a good job and got nice pass gains but had 4 Int's. Then the next 4 games he struggled but only threw 1 INT. Do you guys think that because Tressel and Company sat him down and said don't turn it over? That Maybe Zwick isn't really playing aggressively like we saw him do? I mean he takes NO CHANCES now and instead just takes a beating. This don't turn the ball over attitude is kinda messed up because we're drilling these kids with it, and we play a conservative offense but guess what? We still turn the ball over? So god why not just go all out if we're going to turn the ball over?

[bukIpower]

I thought Troy Smith today played lights out. He was 6-8 with no INT's. Also his 2 incompletions where drops so its not outta possibility he shouldv'e been 8-8. He has a amazing throw!! Also his ability to scramble and keep the play alive is something this offense needs really bad!! What this can do with his feet and arm is beyond Zwick. I'll tell you right now if Zwick comes back and is pronounced the starter I will almost but 100% not like what Tressel is doing with this team. Seriously I thought we moved the ball very very well on offense. We screwed up 2 times with fumbles that killed drives and I realize that and we need to fix that, but I thought we ran the ball well, and I for one thought we threw the ball extreamly well for only doing it 8 times. I'm now a HUGE smith fan.

[LloydSev]

Smith lost a fumble.. that's the same as Zwick. He threw 6-8.

The only thing he does better than Zwick so far is run.

[buckzip]

He did what JT allowed him to do.

[BuckeyeBaiter]

couldn't watch the game today, so everyone let loose with their opinions on this one.......

[bukIpower]

llyod... He fumbled but look how he fumbled he had the ball out ready to pass and he was moving backwards to aviod the rush what QB do you know would think someone would be 5 yards behind him???? Also when was the last time Zwick went 6-8 for NO int's??? if you cannot see that he is a better passer you're blind. Did you see the quick out to Holmes? or when he scrambled and threw it to Ginn for a 1st down? those are things Zwick CANNOT do. Right now he runs the offense better, runs better, and passes better.

Buckeyebaiter........ Smith went 6-8 with his two incompletions hitting the recievers right in the hands and just dropped. shouldv'e definatly been 8-8. Also Smith picked up numerous 1st downs with Qb draws and scrambles.

[Buckeye513]

Smith is yet to throw a INT. Zwick has thrown 6 this year.

[bukIpower]

Buckeye513- GO BO SOX!!!! and yes you see the same thing I see. He makes better decisions to go along with more offense. Is that not what Jim Tressel wants?

[LloydSev]

the only game where zwick had less than 20 passes was against Iowa. Last week Smith had 24 and this week he had 8.

There's a reason why coach doesn't pass as much with Smith in the game. An ave. of 10yds per catch. Our punter had almost as many punts as Troy completions.

He may have not looked as bad, but I think it's because Tressel doesn't trust Troy passing the ball. And that worries me. He may throw a pretty ball, but there has to be a reason why Tressel doesn't trust him to throw it.

I agree that Smith is getting it done.. but I still wonder if he's the one who will lead this team down the road.

[BuckBackHome]

Originally Posted by LloydSev

He may have not looked as bad, but I think it's because Tressel doesn't trust Troy passing the ball. And that worries me. He may throw a pretty ball, but there has to be a reason why Tressel doesn't trust him to throw it.

Gary D said the same thing toward the end of the game. That neither coach trusted his QB's. Right after that TS threw a perfect pass to Holmes for a first down.