QB Troy Smith - 2006 Heisman Winner - (Baltimore Ravens)

[hammerthrower]

what relation would warrant this

[GoofyBuckeye]

hammer, you can only receive gifts, technically, from immediate family members..meaning, parents, spouse, and siblings. other family members can give but it has to be miniscule and they can't have any connection to the university.

[LloydSev]

I would say it probobaly has more to do with the gift.

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by hammerthrower

what relation would warrant this

presents from your uncle twice removed who is also a big donator to a school's football program?

[osugrad21]

This is from Goofy in the "Rumor Mill":

Immediate family is defined as parents, siblings, and spouses....the NCAA doesn't do anything to athletes that accept something from other family members with whom they've had a relationship with before they enter college. Aunts or uncles can buy gifts, they just can't get crazy about it. Athletes are told that if there is any question, go ask a coach. NCAA defines it as immediate family only, but there is leniancy...to an extent.

The rule on "friends" is, you have to have a relationship with that person before you ever set foot on a college campus. You cannot participate in recruiting, etc...if you give any money to the university, you cannot give money to an athlete regardless of your relationship with him. If you are considered one of those friends before you ever went to college, you can pretty much give that person whatever you want as long as that person stays away from the university.

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[gobucks19]

Originally Posted by Folanator

My heart wants to support this young man but if it is 1 or 3 it will be hard.

If the last one is correct is is funny, I mean hilarious. That is unbelievable if true.

I assume you mean 1 or 2 not 3. If so, I totally agree with you. When will these kids learn??

I have also heard a scenario of selling signed merchandise to someone for cash. Anyone else heard this?

[Steve19]

Why would we expect this to be reported on ESPiN? It appears to be a genuine news story. EXPiN is in the fiction category.

Originally Posted by holybuckeye33

Does anyone think this has something to do with illegal benefits? I hope he just beat the hell out of someone at a bar last night. I figured espn would be all over this, but I haven't seen anything on their website yet.

[GoofyBuckeye]

steve, I'm wondering the same thing. I thought for sure ESPN would make this the front story with a picture of Clarett with the first thing said being..."Smith kicked off team for unknown violations. Clarett was seen with Smith playing raquetball together in 2002. Clarett's recent allegations about possible, blah, blah, blah.

I friggin hate ESPN but I also can't stay away

[KretchBuck]

"Much like the same conclusions of innocence/mild indiscretion that you are jumping to after reading an ambiguous article?"


Exactly OSUgrad! I guess I am just an optomist. Really I feel that if it was a "serious transgretion" AG and JT would have kicked him off immediately. I just do not think he took thousands of dollars from a booster. If that were the case he would be gone.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[NJ-Buckeye]

"The rule on "friends" is, you have to have a relationship with that person before you ever set foot on a college campus. You cannot participate in recruiting, etc...if you give any money to the university, you cannot give money to an athlete regardless of your relationship with him. If you are considered one of those friends before you ever went to college, you can pretty much give that person whatever you want as long as that person stays away from the university."

confused... because didn't MoC's problem originate from a friend he had years of relationship with... almost as a caretaker.. yet since he was not family... it was against the rules?

[jimotis4heisman]

http://www2.ncaa.org/legislation_and...y_and_conduct/

try and sort through its a tangled web of gray areas to me.

[strohs]

Originally Posted by Alan

Update: Three scenarios floating around..... one or all three may be correct.....

1)the ring on ebay
2)a summer job
3)receiving cash from someone very close to him. and if you know who that someone is, then this is another example of the ncaa being retarded.

Hey Alan, question here:
If it is in fact the ring on ebay, how would that be an NCAA violation?
I mean, it is his ring. The ring is not owned by the university, or NCAA.
Once its given to him, its his to throw away, leave in the box, or wear proudly, or sell.
I dont see how if he decided to sell it, that it would be an NCAA violation?
Now a team violation might be something totally different, if say Tress heard about it
and suspended him like those SEC (forget which school) kids were last year??
2 was investigate allready, so id say 3 is the most probable.

[Steve19]

It's all cool, Goofy! No worries! I expected exactly the same thing. I am boycotting ESPiN, but that's my personal view. We all do what we can do and that's cool. They are broadcasting the Alamo Bowl here and I will be watching with some other Buckeyes.

Don't be surprised if ESPiN aren't working another angle, if this is indeed as minor as it now sounds. They love to play the contrasts, because that is what really gets attention. Just when we relax, in they come again middle of next week with another scandalous allegation with no real evidence.

On the other hand, if it's not minor, as rumored now, then ESPiN can try to play "fair reporter" by holding back and then lambasting Geiger, Tressel and the University. So, either way, I will not be surprised to read on BP that some ESPiN article is pointing out that Tressel's mother had tea with Smith's relative back in 1991 in Coral Gables, at which time they got the okay from Mrs Clarett to put the masterplan into motion.

I don't hate ESPiN. I just think that the entertainment business that they are in has nothing to do with journalism. Their's is the lowest form of innuendo and character assassination. But my views on them are well known!

Money from a family member is one thing and it would be understandable if Smith made a mistake in this regard. And I must say, I do think he is our best chance at quarterback. Money or goods from a booster, even to the value of $100, is different matter and should lead to an immediate expulsion from the team. I agree fully with Milli's sentiments expressed earlier. Zero tolerance.

Of course, it would be wonderful is this turns out that Smith's discretion is of such a nature that the press says that Ohio State has over-reacted again. That would start giving OSU a "zero tolerance" image that would be good for the current situation.

Still, until this is clearly explained, I guess we all wait!

Originally Posted by GoofyBuckeye

steve, I'm wondering the same thing. I thought for sure ESPN would make this the front story with a picture of Clarett with the first thing said being..."Smith kicked off team for unknown violations. Clarett was seen with Smith playing raquetball together in 2002. Clarett's recent allegations about possible, blah, blah, blah.


I friggin hate ESPN but I also can't stay away

[Alan]

it seems like you can throw #1 out of the equation....which is great news....

and strohs....b/c of what georgia players did a couple of years ago.....that would be a big no-no....

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by strohs

... suspended him like those SEC (forget which school) kids were last year??

I think it was UGA basketball.