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Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK
What would I have done?
I would boot the kid... because that would be on my personal "Don't ever freaking do that list" along with gambling on anything, drug use and felony convictions. But, I'm not the coach, so I don't get to make the list.
What should Tressel do? He should follow the policy that was already established. I don't like the policy... but I do think it should be followed. Period.
Thus, if the policy were to lose my job for wearing jeans to work, then I should lose my job. If the Policy is that I get sent home for the day without pay, I shouldn't get fired.
My point is not that I don't think Smith doesn't deserve to get booted... what I am saying is that if the Athletic Department policy is to give him a two game suspension, then that's what needs to happen.... and at the end of the suspension (and its tougher because its during spring, etc, I realize) then its over.... you bench him longer because you don't like the kid, then that's essentially violating your "policy again... if the best players play.
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Perhaps AKAK is better at explaining than I am...but this is exactly my point. The Ohio State University does not have a policy (that I am aware of) over and above the NCAA guidelines set into place for an incident such as this. Therefore, any "extra" punishment, IMO, is extremely unfair, and sets a terrible precedent - which will not sit well with other players and potential recruits. JT should do exactly what he is doing. And when TS is done with the suspension, it's up to him to earn back the starting job - if he can.
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Originally Posted by FKAGobucks877
Perhaps AKAK is better at explaining than I am...but this is exactly my point. The Ohio State University does not have a policy (that I am aware of) over and above the NCAA guidelines set into place for an incident such as this. Therefore, any "extra" punishment, IMO, is extremely unfair, and sets a terrible precedent - which will not sit well with other players and potential recruits. JT should do exactly what he is doing. And when TS is done with the suspension, it's up to him to earn back the starting job - if he can.
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I agree entirely with AKAK and FKA! However, I think it would be wise for Ohio State to set a higher standard with stiffer penalties in the future, once all of this dies down. This would then make a statement to our athletes and encourage them to abide by the rules. More importantly, it would take away the lingering notion that we somehow are a slimy university, such as I think will be left when many of these "wonderful sports journalists" have had their run.
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02-16-2005, 02:12 AM
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We all have our value systems and standards concerning moral norms and mores that come into play when issues such as this arise.
We should keep in mind the FACT that JT and TS are not in a vacuum. They are not static. I would believe that JT and Ted Ginn Sr. are being the GREAT influence on TS that he needs right now- we do not know how that is playing out right now do we?
If JT has the same feelings about the name of tOSU being besmirched as most here do, then I suppose I trust him to lay the law down to TS, move on and let the chips fall as they may for PT between him a JZ...some here are not TS fans and want to make this into a desperate moral issue, (it is a moral issue) but we have not spoken to Troy or Jim T. and asked them whywhat? have we? I think the circumstances of the violation warrant the punishment- and if TS remains at the low end of the totem, it is his fault entirely.
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02-16-2005, 01:12 PM
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Perhaps AKAK is better at explaining than I am...
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Well... I think we all knew that. 
'68 Flask makes a good point that I had meant to address in addition to Mili's comment that the "punishment doesn't end at suspension"
We have no idea... and may never have an idea... of what else is going into this... JT isn't going to just Kick Troy to the Curb... (And that's partly why he's better for the job than me... because I would have.. but you also have to realize that I respect Tressel a lot for having the courage to take risks that I would never take). Anyway, Troy is going to "feel it" before this is all over, and he other thing is that the whole team is working hard to win, and JT knows they deserve to have the best QB in there with them, whoever that's going to be.
On the Zwick/Smith/Boeckman/Whoever debate, please don't let that preference cloud this issue. Saw31 and I got in a nice brawl over the suspension legnth a while back because, in part, I think he suspected that my motivation was get TS back on the field in time for the Texas game... that's not the case at all, and that shouldn't be even in the back of anyone's mind... from a football perspective we need to have everyone ready to go whoever is starting, and get that damned running gaem going, so it takes a bit of the heat off whoever the QB is. 
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02-16-2005, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK
Saw31 and I got in a nice brawl over the suspension legnth a while back because, in part, I think he suspected that my motivation was get TS back on the field in time for the Texas game... that's not the case at all, and that shouldn't be even in the back of anyone's mind... from a football perspective we need to have everyone ready to go whoever is starting, and get that damned running gaem going, so it takes a bit of the heat off whoever the QB is. |
You had to bring me into this, didn't you??!! 
Just a small misunderstanding on my part and as was predicted by FKA, my position has moderated over time, especially after finding out our 'ole friend MoC was behind some of it.....go figure.
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02-17-2005, 12:35 PM
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You had to bring me into this, didn't you??!!
Just a small misunderstanding on my part and as was predicted by FKA, my position has moderated over time, especially after finding out our 'ole friend MoC was behind some of it.....go figure. |
Its all good bro, I was just using that as an example if why we should leave QB preference at the door on this topic.
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02-17-2005, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK
Its all good bro, I was just using that as an example if why we should leave QB preference at the door on this topic.
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I agree. I've never had a preference per se. Whoever gets on the field will have my support and if that is TS, I'll be behind him as well. After finding out why he took the money, "life is stranger than fiction" is t | |
