I really hate duke

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by coastalbuck

Not a cheap shot, didn't even warrant the ejection and suspension IMO. He was going for a block, adjusting for the loose ball when the contact occurred. Most accounts I've read seem to agree...

as i've stated before, intent is immaterial as to flagrancy. per ejection, it didn't matter if the foul was a cheap shot or intentional. causing excessive harm or committing a severe foul is sufficient enough for a flagrant foul to be called. there is absolutely no doubt that a flagrant foul was the correct call. any official who knows the rules would agree. the situation (end of game, game out of reach, foul on top of a foul, ball already out of player's hands, foul with elbow/forearm and not hand, profuse bleeding, etc.) required that a flagrant foul was to be called. when there is a flagrant foul called, the player must be ejected.

[jimotis4heisman]

what i know. henderson showed up with bad intentions. he wasnt going in there to block the shot but send a message. its no different than a guy who goes to the rim with bad intentions leading with his elbow. he had bad intentions, period.

what i saw. henderson never had his thumb above his head, right before he goes to jump tyler loses the ball as that other white swing man is all over him, henderson jumps never extending his arm to block anything and lead with his elbow looking for contact. he then stands there as he lands, not attempting the ball, stands there then walks away and looks guilty.

what i think. hendersons had bad intentions, the way he lunges into the "block" the fact he doesnt play the ball with two hands, the fact he never extends his arm, the way he leads with his elbow. to me all that adds up to punch/elbow in an attempt to injure.

other stuff i heard on the radio this am "since 200x duke has had 9 players ejected."

if i was coach k. henderson is done for the acc tourney. thats just my view, but doubt that happens.

the coaches handling it in game. williams and k both did a very good job of handling the situation in game. i give them both credit for that.

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

I hear what you are saying, but there have been many times when players have been hit in the nose harder than that with elbows and there has been no blood...I think the blood made the situation look worse than what it was...

i think the amount of the blood was representative of the severity of the blow.

again, see my previous post in regard to flagrant versus intentional fouls. while there have been several instances of bleeding as a result of lesser blows, henderson's action was as severe as i've seen in a while--in college basketball, that is--for a foul that might or might not have been intentional.

[coastalbuck]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

he must suck pretty badly at blocking shots then. his hand wasn't close to the ball. nobody blocks a shot with their arm at a 90 degree angle.

He was looking at the ball and trying to swat at it while trying to come down on two feet.

as i've stated before, intent is immaterial as to flagrancy. per ejection, it didn't matter if the foul was a cheap shot or intentional. causing excessive harm or committing a severe foul is sufficient enough for a flagrant foul to be called. there is absolutely no doubt that a flagrant foul was the correct call. any official who knows the rules would agree. the situation (end of game, game out of reach, foul on top of a foul, ball already out of player's hands, foul with elbow/forearm and not hand, profuse bleeding, etc.) required that a flagrant foul was to be called. when there is a flagrant foul called, the player must be ejected.

If I have time, I might try to read the rule to get more understanding. Seems to me to be more like a high foul from behind on a layup, intentional yes, no ejection though. I really need to look at the rule.

[buckeyeboy]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

henderson never had his thumb above his head, right before he goes to jump tyler loses the ball as that other white swing man is all over him, henderson jumps never extending his arm to block anything and lead with his elbow looking for contact.

Agreed. No one goes up for a rebound by making a doward motion with their forearm, like Henderson did. And please don't tell me that he was adjusting to the play. If he were that good at controlling his body, he could've kept from smashing his forearm into Hansbrough's face when the ball wasn't even in the picture anymore.

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

what i know. henderson showed up with bad intentions. he wasnt going in there to block the shot but send a message. its no different than a guy who goes to the rim with bad intentions leading with his elbow. he had bad intentions, period.

what i saw. henderson never had his thumb above his head, right before he goes to jump tyler loses the ball as that other white swing man is all over him, henderson jumps never extending his arm to block anything and lead with his elbow looking for contact. he then stands there as he lands, not attempting the ball, stands there then walks away and looks guilty.

what i think. hendersons had bad intentions, the way he lunges into the "block" the fact he doesnt play the ball with two hands, the fact he never extends his arm, the way he leads with his elbow. to me all that adds up to punch/elbow in an attempt to injure.

agreed. all good points. also, if henderson didn't intend to hurt hansbrough, why didn't he go over to hansbrough right away to see if he was okay? hansbrough was on the ground for a good 5 or so seconds before getting up.

[Folanator]

They should have let Henderson stay in the game. I was always [censored]ed when the other team had someone ejected for a dirty play. No chance to hurt him.

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by coastalbuck

If I have time, I might try to read the rule to get more understanding. Seems to me to be more like a high foul from behind on a layup, intentional yes, no ejection though. I really need to look at the rule.

feel free. you'll find that if a foul is excessive, or excessive enough, the foul may be considered flagrant (whether or not the foul was intentional). the player committing the flagrant foul must then be ejected from the game. the difference between the decision to suspend henderson from playing in the following game and not suspending henderson is that the officials deemed that henderson intended to commit a hard foul.