I really hate duke

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

I saw the replay of the Duke game this morning....and you're just flat out wrong bill. That kid tried to trip the Duke kid on purpose, and he tried to hurt Duke players the whole night. If that's not an intentional foul, I don't know what is.

Yeah Washington was playing dirty last night. Especially the undercut. That's how you break someones neck.

I think Duke frustrates the hell out of him b/c of the way they play. He is(according to the commentators last night and watching other VT games) supposedly a really nice kid and a clean player. Against Duke he goes ape-[censored] though.

He kicked Melchionni in the face 2 years ago after Lee took a charge(flop).

As the game wore on I didn't have a smuch problem with the intentional foul call watching him play dirty, but I still don't think it was the right call. Later in the game Singler tripped a guy, completely unintentional but in the same way, and there was no call period.

I thought the game last night, overall, was well officated though.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by OSUBucks22

Do you realize how ridiculous all of this sounds? Come on...

I'll give you the FSU game a couple of years ago... That was a horribly officiated game all around...

No. I don't think it is ridiculous at all. I don't see how you can watch a Duke game, and not think they get the better end of the stick almost all of the time. I'm far from the only person who believes that, and it got so bad a few years ago that people were calling for Fred Barakat's job (officiating supervisor and Mike Krzyzewskis' best friend) Barakat has retired now but that's how biased a majority of the ACC believed it to be. This linked article is from an online ACC journal and explains why most fans and coaches in the ACC perceive there is a Duke bias. The article brings up theories and also explains why those theories are incorrect. My point is that it isn't crazy to think officials are intimidated and subconsciously calling games in favor of Duke.

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By the way, in Coach K's early years at Duke while building up the program, he was relentless in the media about all the calls UNC would get. He said there was a "double standard for UNC and Dean Smith." I don't hear him complaining much anymore with exception to his relentless style in the games.

[cincibuck]

So who gets the foul calls when Duke plays UNC?

I don't like Duke, but they give me hope when no one else can seem to beat the Tarheels or the Kentucky Wildcats. For that I am grateful.

[billmac91]

Regarding the bias he perceived in 1984 for North Carolina.

In 1984, during his fourth season at Duke, Krzyzewski himself had protested angrily to league officials about what he saw as a "double standard" that worked in favor of Smith and UNC. At the time, Krzyzewski was about a .500 coach for his career with the Blue Devils, while Smith was a recent NCAA champion (1982) and a national icon in a similar sense to what Coach K is today.
"When I said that, I said it because I believed it," Krzyzewski told the Washington Post last year. "But there's no question I was looking at it through Duke-colored and Krzyzewski-colored glasses. Carolina did what it did because Dean was a great coach, and he had great players. My guess is they didn't get as many calls back then as I thought they did. And I'm pretty convinced we don't get nearly as many calls now as people think we do. My vision is a little bit different."

Awwwwwww. That's so nice. Coach K now realizes he was senile and wrong when he called out the ACC in 1984 for having a Carolina bias. Now he's all grown up with one the best teams in the country every year and realizes there isn't any referee bias.

[crazybuckfan40]

Maybe the percetption comes from how much they actually try and take charges and flop across the floor...

So lets say that the charge call is called bad 25-30% of the time no matter what game we are talking about...

Lets say Dook attempts to take charges 5-10 more times per game than other teams...You don't see our guys out there flopping very often or attempting to take charges...

So 30% of 5-10 is about 1.5-3 more bad calls a game just due to refs not being able to make the correct charge call...

I will give refs that it is the toughest call to make in basketball, but one other thing is there isn't a set rule and criteria that the refs follow in terms of making the call...The same play could be interpreted 50 different ways by 50 different refs...

Dook does a good job of acting and selling the charge by letting out screams falling the correct way, and over selling the flop...If the refs are going to give it to them then props to Dook for taking advantage of it...

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

Maybe the percetption comes from how much they actually try and take charges and flop across the floor...

So lets say that the charge call is called bad 25-30% of the time no matter what game we are talking about...

Lets say Dook attempts to take charges 5-10 more times per game than other teams...You don't see our guys out there flopping very often or attempting to take charges...

So 30% of 5-10 is about 1.5-3 more bad calls a game just due to refs not being able to make the correct charge call...

I will give refs that it is the toughest call to make in basketball, but one other thing is there isn't a set rule and criteria that the refs follow in terms of making the call...The same play could be interpreted 50 different ways by 50 different refs...

Dook does a good job of acting and selling the charge by letting out screams falling the correct way, and over selling the flop...If the refs are going to give it to them then props to Dook for taking advantage of it...

very very true.

[OSUBucks22]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

Dook does a good job of acting and selling the charge by letting out screams falling the correct way, and over selling the flop...If the refs are going to give it to them then props to Dook for taking advantage of it...

Very good point... Every basketball coach I ever played for taught us to do the exact same thing...

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by OSUBucks22

Very good point... Every basketball coach I ever played for taught us to do the exact same thing...

Same here, Hell I was taught this in the 5th grade at basketball camp...

People watch the Cavs and say that Wild Thing flops all the time as well, but he does well at getting in position and then he does a good job of selling it...