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04-07-2007, 12:46 AM
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I think Beilen was a good move for tsun he had Wv in the dance, that's more than Amaker did. In 5 years we will see how he does.
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04-07-2007, 01:34 AM
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How so, might I ask? It's obvious Beilein is an upgrade - he did far more this season, in a tougher conference, with less talent, than Amaker ever did.
Scorn the Beilein hiring at your own peril. He's been successful with every team he's coached. We're a long way from Brian Ellerbe here.
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The Big East was not a tougher conference than the Big Ten this season. Ohio State beat Georgetown (1 vs. 1). Wisconsin beat Pitt (2 vs. 2). Louisville was the only other team from that conference to win a first round NCAA tourney game, while the Big Ten had MSU, Indy, and Purdue all winning first round games. UC, Rutgers, South Florida, and Seton Hall were every bit as bad as NU, PSU, and Minny. I can't find any evidence at all to substantiate your claim.
Also, my only chuckle of the Beilein hiring is that I was hoping tsun would hire someone to make Izzo work a little harder up there. Tsun will still be playing second fiddle in their own state--no doubt.
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04-07-2007, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by heisman
The Big East was not a tougher conference than the Big Ten this season. Ohio State beat Georgetown (1 vs. 1). Wisconsin beat Pitt (2 vs. 2). Louisville was the only other team from that conference to win a first round NCAA tourney game, while the Big Ten had MSU, Indy, and Purdue all winning first round games. UC, Rutgers, South Florida, and Seton Hall were every bit as bad as NU, PSU, and Minny. I can't find any evidence at all to substantiate your claim.
Also, my only chuckle of the Beilein hiring is that I was hoping tsun would hire someone to make Izzo work a little harder up there. Tsun will still be playing second fiddle in their own state--no doubt.
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Touche on all points regarding the Big East. Still, I think I can make the claim the Big East was tougher. The Big Ten's top two are better, but I think that's it.
- Louisville was better than Indiana (6 seed vs 7, ranked vs unranked).
- Notre Dame was better than Illinois (6 seed, ranked vs 12th seed, unranked).
- Marquette was better than Purdue (though this is the most arguable.)
- Syracuse was definitely better than Iowa.
- West Virginia and Michigan State - wash, probably; it's easy to scoff at winning the NIT but you don't win that by going through a lineup of patsy teams.
- Villanova was better than Michigan, I'm sure you Buckeye fans don't need much convincing of that.
After that you run into the Big Ten pansies, but the Big East has four teams left with winning records: DePaul, Providence, St. John's, UConn. No slouches.
So I think my original point is valid. Beilein took a team that was unquestionably less talented than what Amaker had to work with and accomplished much, much more. He overachieved, there's no denying that. He beat UCLA and NC State; two teams Amaker couldn't.
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04-07-2007, 02:26 AM
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the big east is also 45% bigger than the big ten. this season, the big east was not so much about quality as it was about quantity. if you dismiss the difference in size, labeling the big east as better than the big ten is accurate. if you don't dismiss the difference, this label is not accurate.
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04-07-2007, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by OSU_Buckguy
the big east is also 45% bigger than the big ten. this season, the big east was not so much about quality as it was about quantity. if you dismiss the difference in size, labeling the big east as better than the big ten is accurate. if you don't dismiss the difference, this label is not accurate.
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I kinda do dismiss the difference. More teams doesn't have an effect on the analysis here. Still gotta play 'em. And the Big East might have five more teams than the Big Ten, but it only had one more losing team. That to me says depth.
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04-07-2007, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HailToMichigan
I kinda do dismiss the difference. More teams doesn't have an effect on the analysis here. Still gotta play 'em. And the Big East might have five more teams than the Big Ten, but it only had one more losing team. That to me says depth.
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Depth this year? Are Villanova & DePaul really that scary to tilt the scales back in the Big East's favor? (b/c I believe the b10 wins the top6 contest)
Great:
Georgetown < OSU
Good:
Pittsburgh < Wisconsin
Louisville > Indiana
Notre Dame - Purdue
Okay:
Marquette < Michigan State
Syracuse - Illinois
Mediocre:
West Virginia - Michigan
...etc
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04-07-2007, 03:37 AM
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I'd give Purdue the nod over ND, especially at the end of the season.
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04-07-2007, 04:08 AM
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