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Old 05-06-2007, 12:39 PM
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I'm concerned about the offensive end of the floor. Unless JBut and Hunter and Lighty step up to be double figure scorers, we'll be relying heavily on freshmen to score. I can't help but imagining the tv analysts saying "where are the points going to come from?" With that said we will cause mismatches with our size and length, we will be athletic and deep and should be a very good defensive unit. No way we should not be in the top 25. Hate to be cliche, but we do seem to be disrespected a lot.

I'm not sure if that's a fair statement. Remember earlier this year when we were #1 in both football and basketball before the basketball team really played anyone good/decent?
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Old 05-06-2007, 01:00 PM
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For my part, when I look at pre-season projections like this I first see if the ranking method is consistent. If it is, then I see if the consistent ranking method is fairly applied to Ohio State (or Florida, or others that did not make the cut). Only if that proves true would I be concerned that Katz has accurately employed his Magic 8 ball.

In this case he does not pass test number 1.

I need only cite one example of a poor application of ranking criteria. He duns teams that lose major players, he duns teams with questionable incoming classes to replace that lost talent (a two-fer if you wish). Fair enough, just do that consistently.

Exhibit 1 where this is not done in a consistent manner?

Texas A&M.

Katz rates them as #20.
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20. Texas A&M 2006-07 Record: 27-7, 13-3
Mark Turgeon got DeAndre Jordan to re-commit to the program, and that alone should keep this squad in the top 20. Joseph Jones declared for the draft but it's likely he'll return to A&M. But losing Acie Law IV and Antanas Kavaliauskas, and the transition from Billy Gillispie to Turgeon, has to knock the Aggies down.
So you know Acie Law is gone, big man Kavaliauskas is gone, but because of one possible retention and one featured future freshman this team gets a #20 ranking, even in the face of a coaching change?
Yeah, that is consistent.
Ohio State meantime has -
No coaching change.
Loses Oden, may lose Cook (likely) may lose Conley (also likely), yet;
Brings in a very highly ranked freshman class, with positional skill across the board and a true big man to take up the slack at center.
For which Katz drops them off his board?
Yep, got to love that consistent analysis.

Which is why I can just round file Katz's piece.
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Omaha, point taken, when taken accross a broad spectrum (group of coaches or AP media members) tOSU is not disrespected. However some media outlets (espin and cbs sportsline) have at least a few correspondents who seem to either have it out for us or who disregard us.

It seemed to me that the vast majority of the talking heads had tOSU as the #1 seed most likely to fail. And now some seem to undervalue Thad and his ability to get the most out of what should be a very talented albeit young/inexperienced group.


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Omaha, point taken, when taken accross a broad spectrum (group of coaches or AP media members) tOSU is not disrespected. However some media outlets (espin and cbs sportsline) have at least a few correspondents who seem to either have it out for us or who disregard us.

It seemed to me that the vast majority of the talking heads had tOSU as the #1 seed most likely to fail. And now some seem to undervalue Thad and his ability to get the most out of what should be a very talented albeit young/inexperienced group.

Ya, I'll definately agree with that. When an athletics program is as historically successful as Ohio State's is, it is just bound to have a some what polarizing effect.
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Our inside depth next year should be impressive. Hunter with another year in the strength and conditioning program could be a monster, if he gets a little more aggressive. I think Twigs and Dallas will give fouls and be solid. Twigs could suprise if he moves to the four. I really look forward to how Thad will use KK. I only saw him in the all-star games but it looked to me that he needs to get used to playing against guys close to his own size. I'm curious what the two year break will mean for Madsen. I can't help but think that Thad would not have wasted a scholarship on a practice player.
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Not disparaging Madsen

I hope that it doesn't look like I was downing Madsen, on the contrary, some have said he will only be a practice player who will help our graduation rate. If I remember right, he was a good player in High School. Fairly athletic with a pretty good shot, he was just very thin. I would think with two years off he would have put on a decent amount of muscle. And playing against GO in practice should have only helped, unless it ruined his confidence (which I doubt) I look forward to seeing what he adds to the mix.
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Madsen played against Oden all year long in practice. He isnt going to see anyone in college this year or next that will treat him the way Greg did. If he learns from that experience, which I believe he has by all accounts, he will see some time this season for sure.
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My thoughts exactly BB, Kyle should at least be able to bang and add depth, and if he has continued to hone his shot and add to his post moves he could really be a pleasant suprise. Either way its nice to have kids on the team who bleed S&G.
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