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05-03-2007, 04:49 PM
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The thing is that he had to enroll as the final four was the first week of April and Spring quarter started at the end of March...
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He could have withdrawn from classes or would that have invoked the lack of progress toward a degree. |
05-03-2007, 04:53 PM
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He could have withdrawn from classes or would that have invoked the lack of progress toward a degree.
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05-03-2007, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by methomps
The problem is that creating exceptions creates loopholes. If the NCAA allows exceptions for transfers, then schools will try to hide dropouts and problem children that way. Create exceptions for the draft and they'll have them declare for the draft. Create exceptions for discipline and the schools will pretend the S-A violated team rules.
The current system has its limitations, but if a school simply aims for a 950, then they'll have little problem making 925.
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Dropouts and poor academics should indeed count against the APR, no doubt, because they demonstrate at least a degree of culpability on part of the athletic department for not encouraging the student athlete to hit the books or stay in school. However, transferring to another university (where their education will continue) and leaving early for the NBA (a great employment opportunity, and preparing students for gameful employment is a main focus of a college education) should not.
If a student athlete screws off academically or drops out while on scholarship then sure, the school should get some blame. However, going to another school--for whatever reason--or declaring for a professional in which your scholarship is being paid, should not.
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05-03-2007, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye
Dropouts and poor academics should indeed count against the APR, no doubt, because they demonstrate at least a degree of culpability on part of the athletic department for not encouraging the student athlete to hit the books or stay in school. However, transferring to another university (where their education will continue) and leaving early for the NBA (a great employment opportunity, and preparing students for gameful employment is a main focus of a college education) should not.
If a student athlete screws off academically or drops out while on scholarship then sure, the school should get some blame. However, going to another school--for whatever reason--or declaring for a professional in which your scholarship is being paid, should not.
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Yes, but what do you do about players who enter the draft and don't get drafted? Does Notre Dame get punished for Darius Walker?
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05-03-2007, 05:01 PM
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Yes, but what do you do about players who enter the draft and don't get drafted? Does Notre Dame get punished for Darius Walker?
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Given the crapshoot that is the NFL Draft it might not seem fair. Then again Walker did probably hear that his prospects were not that good at some point.
Perhaps a try it and then return window would have helped Walker (and ND) - a don't sign with an agent method of testing the waters.
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05-03-2007, 05:43 PM
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Yes, but what do you do about players who enter the draft and don't get drafted? Does Notre Dame get punished for Darius Walker?
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The school shouldn't get punished because the student is pursuing employment in the field in which the scholarship was granted. Say a student with an aceademic scholarship in civil engineering gets hired by a big construction firm before he graduates...would you consider that a "dropout"?
The bottom line is that the NCAA's main concern--supposedly--is to make sure that schools don't recruit kids solely for their athletic abilities and who have no real chance/intention of making it through academics-wise. If it weren't for the NCAA, then all the schools would be recruiting C- and D students to go to their college only for those kids to fail miserably in college because they aren't academically suited or motivated (and thus not have a degree if they don't go pro). Now, if the NCAA's main concern really is to have student athletes who attend class and meet academic requirements while under scholarship, they shouldn't punish school whose athletes transfer or decalre early while otherwise meeting academic requirements.
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