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02-11-2008, 01:33 AM
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Man I am on the opposite side of a lot of you guys here after the game today...
One person has called out Jamar...He called out the team, they have responded where the hell is he...a joke if you ask me, should of kept his mouth shut...If he is that freakin' tired then why not put him on the bench...There is no reason to run him into the ground...I am sorry I may be the only one Ohio State fan that things that PJ Hill can give 5 minutes a game and if they don't think he can and if they don't want to give the kid a chance why did they give him a schollie, at some point you gotta at least look to the future and just let the kid take his lumps and get some confidence and see what he has got... He has showed that he can play defense, against these kids...He can get the ball up the floor, he has showed that he can penetrate, see MSU tape, where he was the only one that seemed to create... Everyone was saying Diebler sucks, blah blah blah...Well for those people I am just going to go give a big I told you so along with the others that were saying it...He is just a frosh and you can see what he brings to the table... KK is one of the more frustrating players to watch...I hear doufus, goofus all over at the games...But the kid has a great offensive game, and we need to feed him...We also need to bring out out the football pads in practice and make him go get the rebound... Turner has a wrist injury...Why not play Wallace, He is just as athletic as Turner, he can rebound from the wing, he can spot up against the zone they were running today... Lauderdale...Where was he...White was killing us inside...Twig and Hunter weren't playing that great and KK was getting killed down low against White on the defensive end... I am very disappointed in this team right now...All the way around, We are getting no senior leadership, we can't shoot, we can't rebound, I think the coaches are struggling to find combinations, they won't bench players that aren't doing the right things... Also The [censored]in' crowd sucked today...Overall just a [censored]ty ass performance...Right now this team is staring the NIT right in the face... I am not the type of person that gives up on a team...So don't expect me to do that...The potential is there, we all keep saying that, but until we get someone that wants to lead this team we are going to continue to see what we are seeing... Butler got scared in another big game...It is like he goes into hiding...I would like to know his stats in his career against top 25 teams...They wouldn't be very good... I made the comment the other day that we need 3 guys to score double digits to win...We had two with KK and Diebler...The most criticized guys on the team... As for not being able to get the team in the offense...I could of got the team in the offense today there was no press and it was against a zone, so it was just a matter of passing the ball around the arc... Yeah Diebler made some poor decisions in the first half with his passing up of shots, but at least he was moving without the ball, trying to get into the lane and he is the one guy that consistently looks inside... I just don't get it...I shake my head in disbelief and I hate to use the excuse we are young, when I am shaking my head at guys like Butler, Hunter, Lighty... We can't be upset with Turner today he was playing so well two weeks ago, and a couple bad games, especially if he has a wrist injury, there is no reason to criticize...          
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02-11-2008, 06:07 AM
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DDN
Buckeyes fall to No. 14 Indiana White and Gordon lead Hoosiers to first win over a team higher than No. 49 in RPI. By Rusty Miller Contributing writer Monday, February 11, 2008 COLUMBUS ? Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson has grown tired of the shots critics are lobbing at his program for a soft schedule. "If this isn't a quality win, then we may not get any," a smiling Sampson said after D.J. White scored 21 points and had 13 rebounds and Eric Gordon hit a number of big shots to lead the 14th-ranked Hoosiers past Ohio State 59-53 on Sunday. It was the first signature win for the Hoosiers (20-3, 9-1 Big Ten) ? much maligned by TV analysts for playing a light schedule ? against a team higher than No. 49 in the RPI ratings. The Buckeyes (16-8, 7-4) came in at No. 32. Gordon finished with 15 points, hitting four free throws in the final minute to keep Ohio State at bay. He cited Thursday night's 83-79 double-overtime win at Illinois and the victory over the Buckeyes for signs that the Hoosiers are peaking at the right time. Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:11 AM
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ABJ
Indiana zone offers OSU no comfort Forced to perimeter, Buckeyes shoot blanks, lose By George M. Thomas Beacon Journal sportswriter Published on Monday, Feb 11, 2008 COLUMBUS: Ohio State began its exhibition season back at the end of October and Coach Thad Matta is still searching for answers regarding his young team. All he could do after a 59-53 loss to Indiana (20-3, 9-1 Big Ten) on Sunday is ponder aloud why the Buckeyes (16-8, 7-4) continue to come out of the gate flat. ''It's hard to explain. You just have an internal feeling. I'm not trying to be a psychologist here,'' Matta said. ''A lot of time we need something good to go for us early and that doesn't always happen.'' Although something did go well for OSU, something else didn't. The Buckeyes held the Big Ten's most potent offense to almost 11 points below its conference scoring average. But their inability to generate an offense in the first half spelled doom for OSU. Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:12 AM
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02-11-2008, 06:14 AM
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CPD
Bucks missing victory spark Setbacks mount for young OSU Monday, February 11, 2008Doug Lesmerises Plain Dealer Reporter Columbus -- Sunday afternoon, Ohio State coach Thad Matta glumly entertained questions to which he had no answers. "We just . . . we didn't have what we needed today," Matta began from the postgame podium, attempting to explain the Buckeyes' 59-53 loss to No. 14 Indiana. Eight days earlier, it had been OSU senior guard Jamar Butler standing in a hallway outside the visiting locker room at Iowa, proclaiming with exasperation after a loss that he was done falsely praising his teammates and ready to tell them how it is. Matta made it clear Sunday that it's not a lack of talent, experience or preparation. He was happy with the Buckeyes' past two practices. It's something else that's still missing. Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:15 AM
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CPD
BIG TEN INSIDER Hoosier hungers for wins Monday, February 11, 2008 Doug Lesmerises Plain Dealer Reporter Columbus- The holes in Ohio State's zone defense that allow opponents to crash the offensive glass created a rebounding buffet for Indiana senior D.J. White on Sunday. He's been scarfing all season, though. With six offensive boards in the Hoosiers' 59-53 win, he now averages 3.5 per game in conference play, best in the league and part of his makeover as a big man's big man. His 21-point, 13-rebound effort against the Buckeyes was his 15th double double of the season. Ohio State, by comparison, has had eight individual games this season of double figures in points and rebounds. He wasn't always that aggressive around the rim. In his first three seasons in Bloomington, Ind., White had just 11 games out of 66 with more than 10 boards. The result Sunday showed the Buckeyes first-hand that White is more than a sidekick for Indiana freshman guard Eric Gordon. Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:25 AM
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Canton
D.J. White is double trouble for OSU Hoosier star holds off young Buckeyes Monday, February 11, 2008 BY Mike Popovich REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER COLUMBUS A three-peat is slipping out of Ohio State's reach now. And if Indiana ends up wrestling the Big Ten title away from the Buckeyes and other closer pursuers, D.J. White will be a big reason why. The All-American candidate recorded his 15th double-double of the season as 14th-ranked Indiana beat Ohio State, 59-53, Sunday. White finished with 21 points and 13 rebounds for the 20-3 Hoosiers, who moved a half-game (9-1 in Big Ten) behind first-place Purdue (10-1). White's double-double was sealed and delivered by halftime. He was on pace for his second 20-point, 20-rebound game in a little over a month. The 6-foot-9, 251-pound senior forward grabbed just three rebounds the rest of the way but scored 11 second-half points to help Indiana hold off the Buckeyes, who dropped three games behind the league leaders. Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:37 AM
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Dispatch
MEN'S BASKETBALL White-washed Hoosiers, big man overpower Buckeyes' 'little kids' inside Monday, February 11, 2008 12:08 AM By Bob Baptist The Columbus Dispatch  NEAL C. LAURON | DISPATCHIndiana's D.J. White (3) dunks the ball over Ohio State's Kosta Koufos (31). As D.J. White and his teammates jogged to their locker room, after White had totaled 12 points and 10 rebounds in only one half, a lip-reader swore White was telling them that the Ohio State men's basketball team was trying to guard him with "little kids." "I don't remember saying it like that," White said later, with a smile. Anything close to that? "Not that I remember," he said, still smiling. White, actually, didn't have to say a thing yesterday. The difference between Indiana and Ohio State was obvious in their Big Ten game in Value City Arena. For the Buckeyes, painfully so. Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:48 AM
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Hoosiers out-White Buckeyes Senior has 21 points, 13 boards in Indiana's 59-53 road win By Terry Hutchens The Indianapolis Star COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State officials called for fans to wear white -- a white-out -- for yesterday's nationally televised game with Indiana University. Indiana countered with a lot of white of its own -- D. J. White.  The IU senior forward had a double-double in the first half and finished with 21 points and 13 rebounds as the No. 14 Hoosiers posted their second Big Ten road victory in four days, beating Ohio State 59-53 before a sellout crowd of 19,049 at Value City Arena. White's 15th double-double in 23 games included 10-of-15 shooting, six offensive rebounds, two blocks and a steal, playing all 40 minutes. "I was just playing hard," White said. "From watching film, I knew we'd have a chance to get offensive rebounds. So that's what I did when the ball went up: I went for the offensive rebounds." Cont...
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02-11-2008, 06:58 AM
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02-11-2008, 10:59 AM
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Indiana wasn't pressuring the ball at all. My grandmother could have brought the ball up the court and passed the ball around the perimeter of the zone for 25 seconds. I don't care who is on the bench.....Butler needs a rest. Butler playing 40 minutes a game isn't helping the team. We are 2-2 in the last 4 games with Butler playing 40 mins and he is only averaging 10 points a game. I don't know what else to say. My last comment on this game..... With White killing us on the inside, why didn't Lauderdale get at least 21 seconds of PT with the sole purpose of putting a body on White on the defensive boards.
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02-11-2008, 12:09 PM
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I'm not worried.
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02-11-2008, 12:12 PM
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02-11-2008, 02:09 PM
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I understand your point about Butler needing a rest....that is obvious to everyone but what are the options to bring the ball up the court? Lighty....negative.....Turner....negative......Die bler.....negative........Hill.....I am not comfortable with that.....and I guess Matta isn't either. That is why there is no debate.... Two glaring weaknesses on this team.....no point guard and no legit post-up threat... Quote:
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02-11-2008, 02:10 PM
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I am starting to get concerned that we may see a team like this one every 4-5 years as long as Matta and the staff are bringing in guys with the potential to be one and done. Concerned is probably the wrong word as competing for B10 titles, and Final Fours in the other years probably make a struggler like this year worth it. Still not bad for a struggler, when they're still looking at a potential NCAA berth.
This team is just way too reliant on freshman and inexperienced players(nobody to blame, you could not surely predict that Conley and Cook would leave after one year) KK, Diebs and Turner have all turned in very good games and bad games, just as you'd expect from freshmen, the same can be said of Hunter, Lighty and Twigs. We keep hearing about what we miss is a true point guard, while that is true, we miss guys like Ron Lewis and Ivan Harris at least as much. Lewis could create his own shot at any time as well as bang the three and Harris is a much better pure shooter than anyone on this years squad (at least with JB exhausted) Both also had the confidence born of experience. The upperclassmen are either inexperienced or limited. Hunter has not played enough years to have a real well rounded game, we know what we get with Twigs, JB is a great shooter, but not overly quick and while he is trying to work on a floater, it is not there yet, and when tired, his shooting and defense suffer (just as everyones would) This is also really like Lighty's freshmen year when it comes to offense at the college level as he was a defensive force, but scored mostly junk stuff last year. As hard as this team plays at times, they are forced to play almost exclusively zone to rest JB and because of lack of confidence in the bench if foul trouble crops up. They do not have many good pure shooters. They have no guys who can consistently be scorer/slashers. The only true rebounding warrior I've seen of the bunch is Lauderdale, and he must lack in other areas or he'd play more (wouldn't he?) I also think that this is a learning year for Coach Matta as well, as this is, I think, his first basically zone team. He is also learning to deal with losing so many guys early and having to mold so many new guys and guys with new roles all while dealing with his back issues. I hate to seem so down because I love the group and individually love the efforts, but I see too many holes to really be suprised anymore by some of these losses. I just think we may see this every once in a while, when we lose unexpected guys early that leave holes that the staff can't fill on such short notice. There is obviously plenty of talent on this squad and if they play with a sense of urgency and get more than one or two playing (scoring) well consistently they can still have a nice year and solid postseason.
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