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How Indiana is handling this as opposed to how Ohio State handled O'Serbian.

Geiger gets wind of allegations that O'Brien is "loaning" Serb players/recruits money. Calls him into the office that day and asks him if it's true. O'Brien admits that he's made these loans. Geiger demands his resignation on the spot. O'Brien refuses. Geiger fires him on the spot (so fast I might add that it violated his contract); calls the NCAA to self-report violations. Not sure of the timing on how quickly the news was released nor of the time involved before our self-imposed penalties were announced.

So far, Indiana gets wind that Sampson has made prohibited phone calls. Self reports these violations to the NCAA. So far; so good...however...

They don't fire Sampson on the spot. They take his word (despite his already being on personal probation for these very same infractions) and fine him and throw an assistant coach under the bus. Time goes by. Sampson has a title contending team on the court. Indiana receives the NCAA preliminary report detailing 5 major violations. They don't fire Sampson and sit on the report for several days. Eventually, they release it on a day when they know that the sports news cycle will be obsessed with the Clemens fiasco. Sampson holds onto his job and coaches that evening.

This brings us up to this morning. Am I looking at this through Scarlet & Gray glasses or does there seem to be growing divergence between how the [[allegedly]] cleanest school in the conference is handling this and how the [[allegedly]] corrupt O$U handled their situation?
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Kelvin Sampson's status as coach of Indiana's basketball team appears it will be decided on a game-by-game basis.
Discussions about whether Sampson would coach Wednesday night's game against Wisconsin went on as late as the afternoon preceding the game, according to a source close to the situation.

A source told ESPN.com that there is an air of uncertainty on the staff regarding Sampson's status and whether he'll finish out the season. Sampson met with his staff Tuesday into the night and again on Wednesday.
Indiana (No. 12 ESPN/USA Today, No. 13 AP) could choose to suspend Sampson from coaching games while it figures out its options without having to fire him. The Hoosiers have home games Saturday against Michigan State and Tuesday against Purdue.
Larry MacIntyre, the assistant vice president for university communications, said IU president Michael McRobbie has met with the school's legal counsel, the board of trustees and athletic director Rick Greenspan.

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How Indiana is handling this as opposed to how Ohio State handled O'Serbian.

Geiger gets wind of allegations that O'Brien is "loaning" Serb players/recruits money. Calls him into the office that day and asks him if it's true. O'Brien admits that he's made these loans. Geiger demands his resignation on the spot. O'Brien refuses. Geiger fires him on the spot (so fast I might add that it violated his contract); calls the NCAA to self-report violations. Not sure of the timing on how quickly the news was released nor of the time involved before our self-imposed penalties were announced.

So far, Indiana gets wind that Sampson has made prohibited phone calls. Self reports these violations to the NCAA. So far; so good...however...

They don't fire Sampson on the spot. They take his word (despite his already being on personal probation for these very same infractions) and fine him and throw an assistant coach under the bus. Time goes by. Sampson has a title contending team on the court. Indiana receives the NCAA preliminary report detailing 5 major violations. They don't fire Sampson and sit on the report for several days. Eventually, they release it on a day when they know that the sports news cycle will be obsessed with the Clemens fiasco. Sampson holds onto his job and coaches that evening.

This brings us up to this morning. Am I looking at this through Scarlet & Gray glasses or does there seem to be growing divergence between how the [[allegedly]] cleanest school in the conference is handling this and how the [[allegedly]] corrupt O handled their situation?
I think trying to judge things based on the narrow perspective news reports offer is always problematic. After Neuheisel and O'Brien succeeding in wrongful termination suits, I think universities are much more careful now.
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I think trying to judge things based on the narrow perspective news reports offer is always problematic. After Neuheisel and O'Brien succeeding in wrongful termination suits, I think universities are much more careful now.
I think it's too soon to judge whether Indiana is trying to have it both ways. Apparently Indiana is currently reviewing the contract to determine their options, including suspension and firing before the NCAA ruling is final. This contract language has been reported in various articles:

courier-journal.com: News from Louisville, Kentucky

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According to Sampson's seven-year contract, signed in April 2006, if IU fires him for "just cause" it would owe him nothing beyond his regular compensation through that month. Among the definitions of "just cause" in Sampson's contract is "a significant, intentional, repetitive violation of any law, rule (or) regulation" of the NCAA.

Another definition is "Failure to maintain an environment in which the coaching staff complies with NCAA ... regulations."

The contract says IU is allowed to use its "sole judgment" to determine if Sampson's conduct "reflects adversely upon the university and its athletic program."
That "sole judgment" phrase may allow them to can Sampson before the NCAA ruling is complete, but obviously they want to make sure they don't end up with an O'Brien-type lawsuit.
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I think trying to judge things based on the narrow perspective news reports offer is always problematic. After Neuheisel and O'Brien succeeding in wrongful termination suits, I think universities are much more careful now.
Exactly, I'm sure that IU has much more avenues built into Sampson's contract in which to drop the axe because of his past transgressions at OU. But over and above the recent victories by coaches in wrongful termination suits, WVU felt like they had a rock solid escape clause in RR's contract. How is that working out for them right now?

Universities have to be more careful, just a fact of the changed landscape in the big bussiness that is college athletics. There is too much money in the coaching ranks for a coach to just concede the money in his contract without a fight.

Better make sure this is true,



Before you make any decisions on the Coaches future.
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FWIW, some insiders who post over at the Indiana Scout Forum say that Sampson is done tomorrow and it could even get moved up to tonight.

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Slightly off topic alert!

Does anyone else agree that the IU situation may have just saved Bruce Weber's job?
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FWIW, some insiders who post over at the Indiana Scout Forum say that Sampson is done tomorrow and it could even get moved up to tonight.

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Is supposedly a deal might have been worked out why would he have denied the allegations last night? I guess I would have just said "no comment" until the investigation is finished or maybe I just answered my own question.
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Haven't yet seen on this thread the link to Sampson's contract:

http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/imag...chcontract.pdf
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What is starting to [censored] me off about this situation is that IU is singling out Sampson from the rest of the IU basketball team, saying that they should punish the coaches and not punish the players because the players are "innocent of any transgressions".

Isn't Sampson part of IU basektball? Are the players that Sampson was able to recruit illegally to play for Indiana part of IU basketball?

If either or both of those are yeses, then IU basketball deserves to be punished, not just IU coaches. The only "innocent victims" here are the players that are still with the team from the Mike Davis regime. I feel bad for them right now, because they are exactly where we were just a short couple of years ago when Matta and players that had nothing to do with Boban or the 1999 Final Four team were punished for something that they had nothing to do with.
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I would really like us to give Pritchard a look if he wants to look around. We need another big body on the low post for next year, especially if KK leaves.
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Slightly off topic alert!

Does anyone else agree that the IU situation may have just saved Bruce Weber's job?
I know it's off topic, but I agree that Illinois may think "well we aren't very good now, but at least we stink legitimately"

I do feel bad for the Hoosier players, as I felt bad for Matta's players during tOSU's self imposed ban. The fact is that IU is culpible for hiring this scumbag, and if he broke more rules again, IU has to take resposibility or face possibly harsher sanctions.

Another black-eye for the conference
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