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03-07-2005, 10:40 PM
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Dr Evil, Your Offense is Ready!
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JT knows how to win, end of story!
JT knows how to win! Fact! End of story! But, the more intriguing question might be, What is his goal for each team and what is the method to achieve that goal?
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03-08-2005, 12:57 AM
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The best point made so far about the 02 season was JT knew we didnt have the offense to come back from 14 down so why risk giving them great field position when we could run punt and gain 50 yds. and then play great defense and try and win field position. You play to your strengths.
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03-08-2005, 02:07 AM
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i'll skip past most of what you said, including the hilarious statement that Holmes alone trumps our WR corp in 02/03 (would you like to bet if Holmes is drafted before Michael Jenkins?)...............and i'll simply repeat myself:
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if you can convince me that our talent level on offense was in the bottom 10% of the country the last 2 years (make that 3) than i'll buy into your argument that he's played to our strengths
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03-08-2005, 02:49 AM
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Mistri I agree with you that our talent level was in the bottom 10% but there are so many things that go in to determining who has better stats and so forth.
tOSU doesnt pass the ball 50 times a game making the game longer and more chances for putting up yards.
If you are talking about yardage then where is the fact taht our d gets us good field position and when in field goal range we try to make sure we at least get 3.
Also what about Ginn's punt returns shortening the field.
I know you have probably heard it before, but the only stat that matters is W-L.
Texas Tech has a very good offense along with Hawaii but that doesnt mean that they are the best teams.
I am not saying we can't have a great offense and defense, just saying that with Tressel as coach we can't expect 400-500 yds. a game. What we can expect is a W and a decent amount of points this year. I say we average about 24.
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03-08-2005, 11:15 AM
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Yeah I also forgot about that..... our punt return will play a huge part in how we do next season. Teams most likely will not want to kick to ginn/holmes so look for alot of kicking out of bounds, and as we've seen they usually shank them when they try and do so. So this all plays out for our offense. I think rarely will our team start from inside our own 20.
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03-08-2005, 04:27 PM
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We can all agree that Pittman and Haw will at least hit the hole faster than other backs that we have had. The question is can they sustain the bumps and bruises and make it through alright.
As I stated last year the OL will determine a lot of things...will they knock people off the ball. Will they get nasty and finish blocks and look for others at the second level. I am not ready to say anything until I watch them in the spring game and then we have to wait until Miami.
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03-08-2005, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MistriBuck
i'll skip past most of what you said, including the hilarious statement that Holmes alone trumps our WR corp in 02/03 (would you like to bet if Holmes is drafted before Michael Jenkins?)...............and i'll simply repeat myself:
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i did note that it was an exaggeration.
was our talent level in the bottom 10% of the country? no, but then we don't play ever team IN THE COUNTRY. was our talent level on offense less than or equal to every team we played in those seasons? without MoC clearly and undeniably, yes! you can't do a direct compairson of our offensive talent vrs output to southern eastern western school for the blind U. it doesn't work that way. believe it or not, but in the big 10 the level of competition is a tad higher than other conferences...
feel free to present an arguement that lydell was better than any tb who lined up for the other team. hell, even though we're not including 04 feel free to try to argue that he was better than iowa's 5th string guy.
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03-08-2005, 07:17 PM
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was our talent level on offense less than or equal to every team we played in those seasons? without MoC clearly and undeniably, yes!
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dude give it a rest, you are ridiculous, reality is reality.........we had 3 linemen drafted from the 02/03 teams, including 2 Rookie starters, a QB who although not spectacular was good enough to start for an NFL team due to injuries and pull out a few wins as a Rookie, 2 WR's that ended up as 1st round draft picks (Jenkins/Gamble), a TE that was a 3rd Rd. draft pick, Holmes who will be a 2nd/3rd rounder...........Ross was a dissapointment, but was effective when given space to operate and didn't have 4 LB's in his face, do you think he was worse than Derek Combs or Pepe Pearson? they seemed to get the job done......but you're right that is definitely less talent than Bowling Green/Cincinatti/SDSU/Northwestern/MSU/SJSU/Texas Tech, etc., etc.
all i'm asking is to face reality, Tressel is a great coach who knows how to win, knows how to manage the game and keep his players focused, but an offensive mastermind he isn't, that's just reality.............i hope that he continues to evolve his offensive thinking along with our offensive staff as a whole with this new offense and influx of speed that we have now..............but i'll remain skeptical until i see it
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03-08-2005, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MistriBuck
all i'm asking is to face reality, Tressel is a great coach who knows how to win, knows how to manage the game and keep his players focused, but an offensive mastermind he isn't, that's just reality.............i hope that he continues to evolve his offensive thinking along with our offensive staff as a whole with this new offense and influx of speed that we have now..............but i'll remain skeptical until i see it
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tressel is a great coach and he gets the most out of his talent.
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the 02 offensive squad made it to the nfl on their own merit in spite of tressel, not because of him.
these statements are mutually exclusive. i will face reality right beside everyone else directly after the kickoff against texas. i think you are atleast willing to understand why i hope your wrong.
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Ross was a dissapointment, but was effective when given space to operate and didn't have 4 LB's in his face
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if our linemen were so good why were there 4lb's in ross' face? gamble was picked as a cb not a wr. i have noted that hartstock was a stud on more than one occasion. how many points did the bears offense score in those 2 wins again?
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