2005 Pre-Season Chatter - Page 5

OH10 · #61 (**permalink**) 03-29-2005, 07:24 PM

TS is the guy if he wins the job in practice. IMO, JZ would have to seriously cut down on mistakes, increase his velocity to meet up with accuracy - otherwise, he won't win the job in the first game.

And no Mili, the Marshall game was not JZ's best game. He had decent command of the team, and really cut down on his mistakes in the OSU game. In the Marshall game, he had two long bombs to Santonio, one that he got very lucky on because SH just made an incredible play - other than that he was very inconsistent and the offense was stagnant. He threw some horrendous picks in that game that allowed it to be closer than it should have been.

These TS/JZ debates are getting old. But since I've never succinctly stated my opinion, i'll give my half cent worth. JZ has the ability to be a solid QB that can run a decent offense and keep from losing the game, ala Craig Krenzel (who was no slouch by the way). But TS has the ability to be a superstar, and run a premiere, high-scoring offense. He can create more obviously because of his athletic ability, but he also has more velocity on his passes than JZ, so he's not just floating it up there. We could put up 14-28 points each game up under JZ. I believe this offense is capable of putting up 24 to 40+ points in any given game under TS. I'll go with Troy.

MililaniBuckeye · #62 (**permalink**) 03-29-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes

Zwick has to be play close to perfect to unseat Smith. There is past history to consider. So the learning curve for Zwick is over. THATs my opinion. Agree to disagree.

Marshall Zwick's best game? Anyone have stats. I do remember a couple of turnovers..i.e INT and OSU's inability to move the ball.
and Ok. STATE...Zwick played mistake free football. Agree to disagree unless you believe INT's should be included in his best game.

Zwick played well vs. OK. ST when in the game. Nugent bailed him out alot. He had like what? 3 or 4 field goals. Not great but good.

First, Zwick is the starter for now, so to "unseat" Smith, Troy would have to be the starter. As for stats to show Zwick's best game, check below. Finally, Nugent didn't "bail out" Zwick...Zwick played quite well and was hurt.

Justin Zwick Quarterback | #12 | Sophomore | <a href="/ncf/roster?teamId=194">Roster</a>Age: 21 Height: 6-4 Weight: 225 lbs. Hometown: Massillon, OH <table width=626 cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=3><tr bgColor=#de3129><td colspan=2>Totals</td><td colspan=10 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>SEASON</td><td>RECORD</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>2004</td><td>8-4</td><td>98</td><td>187</td><td>1209</td><td>52.4</td><td>6.5</td><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>13</td><td>110.9</td><td>39</td><td>32</td><td>0.8</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>2003</td><td>-</td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>24</td><td>50.0</td><td>3.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>75.2</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr></table><table width=626 cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=3><tr><td colspan=1> </td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2004 Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/4 Cincinnati</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242480194">27-6</a>
</td><td>14</td><td>26</td><td>213</td><td>53.8</td><td>8.2</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>120.0</td><td>4</td><td>-8</td><td>-2.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/11 Marshall</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242550194">24-21</a>
</td><td>18</td><td>30</td><td>324</td><td>60.0</td><td>10.8</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>170.4</td><td>1</td><td>-11</td><td>-11.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/18 @N.C. State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242620152">22-14</a>
</td><td>10</td><td>21</td><td>73</td><td>47.6</td><td>3.5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>76.8</td><td>9</td><td>2</td><td>0.2</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/2 @Northwestern</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242760077">33-27</a>
(OT)</td><td>18</td><td>38</td><td>211</td><td>47.4</td><td>5.6</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>97.4</td><td>11</td><td>28</td><td>2.5</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/9 Wisconsin</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242830194">24-13</a>
</td><td>15</td><td>31</td><td>125</td><td>48.4</td><td>4.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>82.3</td><td>11</td><td>17</td><td>1.5</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/16 @Iowa</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242902294">33-7</a>
</td><td>6</td><td>14</td><td>74</td><td>42.9</td><td>5.3</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>73.0</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>1.3</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/23 Indiana</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242970194">30-7</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/30 Penn State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040194">21-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/6 @Michigan State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243110127">32-19</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/13 @Purdue</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243182509">24-17</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/20 Michigan</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243250194">37-21</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2004 Postseason Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>12/29 Oklahoma State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243640197">33-7</a>
</td><td>17</td><td>27</td><td>189</td><td>63.0</td><td>7.0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>134.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align=left colspan=15>2004 season totals include bowl game statistics.</td></tr><tr><td colspan=1> </td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2003 Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>8/30 Washington</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232420194">28-9</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/6 San Diego State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232490194">16-13</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/13 N.C. State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232560194">44-38</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/20 Bowling Green</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232630194">24-17</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/27 Northwestern</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232700194">20-0</a>
</td><td>3</td><td>7</td><td>20</td><td>42.9</td><td>2.9</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>66.9</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/11 @Wisconsin</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232840275">17-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/18 Iowa</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232910194">19-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/25 @Indiana</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232980084">35-6</a>
</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>100.0</td><td>4.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>133.6</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/1 @Penn State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233050213">21-20</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/8 Michigan State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233120194">33-23</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/15 Purdue</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233190194">16-13</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/22 @Michigan</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233260130">35-21</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2003 Postseason Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>1/2 Kansas State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=240020194">35-28</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr><td align=left colspan=15>2003 season totals include bowl game statistics.</td></tr></table>

jwinslow · #63 (**permalink**) 03-29-2005, 07:49 PM

Thanks for the 2003 stats, those were real helpful mili

Anyway, it was good to bring objectivity back to this thread. The thing that stands out to me is that he barely had any games where his TD's distanced themselves from his INTs. That NC State and Wisconsin game were just atrocious as well.

Please do the same stat sheet for Smith, as I think it will prove why a lot of us want him in there. He's not flawless, but numbers wise he's a lot better.

Vikes · #64 (**permalink**) 03-29-2005, 08:18 PM

I stand by what I said.

Bump.