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CBS Sportsline declares the Big Ten is back!

They still can't help but take a few little jabs at OSU.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8539881

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Here's Dodd's article on the Big-10.

sportsline.com

Notebook: Big Ten poised for big upswing

The Big Ten is back.

Oh, you haven't heard? Its return wasn't exactly front-page news this offseason. The Conference That Rules The World (and acts like it) was last seen trying to claim a national championship in basketball (with Illinois).

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=150 align=left><TBODY><TR><TD width=150> </TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR><TR><TD width=150>Drew Tate is part of a powerhouse crew of Big Ten QBs. (Getty Images) </TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Football? Not so much. It's going on three years since the fireworks went off at the Fiesta Bowl and Miami was celebrating another national championship and -- wait, there's a flag. Ohio State took it from there.

Unfortunately for the Big Ten, that's all the league has taken in the BCS title game. Seven years, one BCS championship berth for the Large Eleven. That's tied with the Pac-10 for fewest championship berths (out of 14) in the BCS era. And essentially USC broke the tie in favor of the Left Coast by winning two consecutive titles, one of them by beating Michigan in the 2004 Rose Bowl.

The Big Ten wasn't Conference USA bad over the past few years, it just wasn't itself. The best recruits were looking elsewhere. The league's current five-year Heisman drought is its longest since 1991, when Michigan's Desmond Howard broke a 15-year streak of the Big Ten not winning a Stiff Arm.

From 1998 through 2003, Ohio State and Wisconsin had a combined 12 consensus All-Americans. That's as many as the rest of the league had combined. Michigan had only two.

It can be argued the two franchise programs did not pull their weight. Take away Ohio State's 2002 championship, and the Buckeyes and Wolverines have averaged an astonishing 3½ losses since the 1999 season started.

And while 2004 marked the sixth consecutive season with at least six Big Ten bowl teams, postseason success has been spotty. Since 2000, the league is a 15-18 in bowls. It hasn't won the Rose Bowl since 1999. (OK, OK, so the BCS system didn't allow the Pac-10-Big Ten matchup in 2001 and 2002).

Don't even get us started on the decline of Penn State and the messy Maurice Clarett situation.

Enough bad news. As we said, an offseason headline you might have missed (or never read) was the Big Ten's return to prominence.

Proof:


  • Ohio State, Iowa and Michigan all should start in the preseason top 10. Iowa just completed the best three-year run in its history (31-7). Ohio State has its best team since the 2002 championship. Last year's co-champ (with Iowa) Michigan might have the final say when it plays host to Ohio State on Nov. 19.
  • The biggest non-conference game of the season is at Ohio State when Texas comes calling Sept. 10. That single game will go a long way toward deciding the national champion and Heisman. TV has picked it up and shoved it to prime time for the first-ever meeting between the schools.
  • There is tremendous depth. An argument can be made for eight bowl teams in 2005. Look for Michigan State and Northwestern to step up. This is the kind of year when John L. Smith shocks everyone. Only Michigan has won more league titles than Northwestern over the past decade. The Wildcats aren't that far away from the postseason again after a 6-6 2004.
  • It is suddenly a quarterback league with the likes of Drew Tate (Iowa), Troy Smith (Ohio State), Chad Henne (Michigan) and Drew Stanton (Michigan State) all gunning for each other and national honors.
  • The league hasn't forgotten its roots. Michigan tailback Michael Hart is a Heisman candidate. Minnesota's Laurence Maroney (1,348 yards) should go for at least 1,500 and become a national star. The carries that he shared with Marion Barber (gone to the NFL) are now all his.
  • Ohio State receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is the fastest player in the country. Many think he is also the best. If Jim Tressel's offseason isn't being spent finding ways to get his sophomore superstar the ball, then he should have his headphones taken away.
  • Beyond Ginn, each team seems to have at least one impact player. Steve Breaston takes over for Braylon Edwards as Michigan's go-to guy. Breaston might be better because of his return abilities. In Ginn and Santonio Holmes, Ohio State might have the best starting pair of receivers in the country. Purdue might have its best defense in the Joe Tiller era. With A.J. Hawk (Ohio State), Chad Greenway, Abdul Hodge (Iowa) and LaMarr Woodley leading the way, the Big Ten is the best linebacker league.
  • In recent years, Penn State has been a sled dragging the league down. JoePa has basically scheduled himself a bowl game this year. Five of the first six are at home. The first three are at Beaver Stadium against South Florida, Cincinnati and Central Michigan. Paterno rebounded to land a star recruiting class too. There is at least a buzz again in State College. The Lions won't challenge for the Big Ten title, but they will go at least 6-5, which is a giant step for JoePa in the winter of his career.
  • Illinois can't help but get better under Ron Zook. He might have underachieved by Florida standards, but Zook will get the Illini competitive again with the combination of his energy and recruiting ability.
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Take away Ohio State's 2002 championship, and the Buckeyes and Wolverines have averaged an astonishing 3½ losses since the 1999 season started.
I hate this type of statement. You know what, if you don't count all the games OSU has won over the past 5 years, they lost almost every single game they've played. So what?!
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Well, you know, if you take away all the games that Michigan and Ohio State have won over the last 83 years, they are winless over that stretch of time.


What an assbag.
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Am I the only one who thinks 3 losses isn't bad for 12-14 game seasons? I mean you want to have more 10 win seasons if possible, but its definitely not ammo you can use to insult people...

Dennis Dodd is a hack who earns ratings for CBS by throwing out inflammatory statements as much as possible.
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Unfortunately for the Big Ten, that's all the league has taken in the BCS title game. Seven years, one BCS championship berth for the Large Eleven. That's tied with the Pac-10 for fewest championship berths (out of 14) in the BCS era. And essentially USC broke the tie in favor of the Left Coast by winning two consecutive titles, one of them by beating Michigan in the 2004 Rose Bowl.
so the pac-10 gets credit for playing in a BCS championship but the big ten doesnt? ok.
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I saw that too. I must not understand the system; I thought for sure LSU and Oklahoma played in the BCS title game 2 years ago. USC played scUM in the Rose Bowl, which was a BCS game, it was not however, the title game.

As BuUckyKatt said: What an assbag.
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Dodd is special, insult the entire conference for five paragraphs then say they'll be good..............what a effer.
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By how this (in the words of thump) HOMO talks you can't figure out if he is actually complimenting the Big-Ten or if he is trying to poke fun at us.
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The Big-10 is back? When did it leave?

God. Dodd is quickly taking over the "#1 Tool" title from Mark May in my book. I'm going to have to fark a picture of him and come up with a "Kneel before Dodd!" sig image someday soon.

Some facts I've compiled for Dodd, since he doesn't bother ever looking them up on his own ...

(In my mind, the Big-10 [minus Indiana] is the definition of 'parity'. I've used teams' conference affiliations based on when the game was played, not which conferences teams are in at present).

In the BCS era (1998 - Present), every Big Ten team except Indiana has appeared in at least one bowl game, and every team to appear in a bowl game except Northwestern has registered at least one victory. The ten teams who have appeared in bowl games have all done so as recently as 2001.

Two teams (Michigan, Purdue) have made a bowl appearance in every year, and two more (Wisconsin, Ohio State) have made a bowl appearance in six of the seven years since 1998. Only two teams (Northwestern, Purdue) of the ten teams to have participated in bowls have a losing record in bowl play over the seven year span, with Purdue twice falling to Georgia in overtime.

In the seven years since the formation of the BCS, the Big Ten has seen seven different teams claim all or part of a conference crown (Michigan/Ohio State/Wisconsin 1998, Wisconsin 1999, Michigan/Northwestern/Purdue 2000, Illinois 2001, Iowa/Ohio State 2002, Michigan 2003, Michigan/Iowa 2004).

The Big Ten has one automatic qualifier in the Bowl Championship Series, and has a 3-4 record against BCS opponents. Of the remaining at large BCS spots, a Big Ten team has claimed a berth four times, posting a 3-1 record against BCS opponents for a 6-5 record overall in BCS bowl games.

The following are Big Ten representatives' cumulative records against the other BCS conferences in bowl competition since 1998:

ACC             1-1
Big East 1-0
Big XII 7-3
Pac Ten 5-6
SEC 10-9


The Big Ten has met non-BCS conference schools twice (Bowling Green, Fresno State) in bowl matchups since 1998:

MAC             0-1
WAC 1-0


Bowl appearances by team in the BCS era (1998 - Present):

Illinois
1999 MicronPC.com W 63-21 Virginia
2001 Sugar L 47-34 LSU

Iowa
2001 Alamo W 19-16 Texas Tech
2002 Orange L 17-38 USC
2003 Outback W 37-17 Florida
2004 Capital One W 30-25 LSU

Michigan
1998 Citrus W 45-31 Arkansas
1999 Orange W 35-34 (OT) Alabama
2000 Citrus W 31-28 Auburn
2001 Citrus L 17-45 Tennessee
2002 Outback W 38-30 Florida
2003 Rose L 14-28 USC
2004 Rose L 37-38 Texas

Michigan State
1999 Citrus W 37-34 Florida
2001 Silicon Valley Classic W 44-35 Fresno State
2003 Alamo L 3-17 Nebraska

Minnesota
1999 Sun L 20-24 Oregon
2000 MicronPC.com L 30-38 North Carolina State
2002 Music City W 29-14 Arkansas
2003 Sun W 31-30 Oregon
2004 Music City W 20-16 Alabama

Northwestern
2000 Alamo L 17-66 Nebraska
2003 Motor City L 24-28 Bowling Green

Ohio State
1998 Sugar W 24-14 Texas A&M
2000 Outback L 7-24 South Carolina
2001 Outback L 28-31 South Carolina
2002 Fiesta W 31-24 (2OT) Miami (Fla.)
2003 Fiesta W 35-28 Kansas State
2004 Alamo W 33-7 Oklahoma State

Penn State
1998 Outback W 26-14 Kentucky
1999 Alamo W 24-0 Texas A&M
2002 Capital One L 9-13 Auburn

Purdue
1998 Alamo W 37-34 Kansas State
1999 Outback L 25-28 (OT) Georgia
2000 Rose L 24-34 Washington
2001 Sun L 27-33 Washington State
2002 Sun W 34-24 Washington
2003 Capital One L 27-34 (OT) Georgia
2004 Sun L 23-27 Arizona State

Wisconsin
1998 Rose W 38-31 UCLA
1999 Rose W 17-9 Stanford
2000 Sun W 21-20 UCLA
2002 Alamo W 31-28 (OT) Colorado
2003 Music City L 14-28 Auburn
2004 Outback L 21-24 Georgia


So ... The Big-10 has a .500 or better record against every other conference except for the Pac-10 and the MAC, two conferences in which the margin is one whole game, and which can be chalked up to the outcomes of three bowls: USC vs Iowa, USC vs Michigan (USC was the better team) and Northwestern's loss to BGSU (the #5 team in the Big-10 plays the MAC #2).
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CBS and Dodd don't like the Big Ten. It's not in their interest to do so! This, is a typical "Company" philosophy. ABC loves the Big Ten, they have a contract to promote! NBC, the Notre Dame network, loves the Irish!
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1999 Outback L 25-28 (OT) Georgia
2000 Rose L 24-34 Washington
2001 Sun L 27-33 Washington State
2002 Sun W 34-24 Washington
2003 Capital One L 27-34 (OT) Georgia
2004 Sun L 23-27 Arizona State
Wow, 2-5.
Way to represent the Big 10 Purdue.
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God. Dodd is quickly taking over the "#1 Tool" title from Mark May in my book.
He doesn't actually have to take over for May. They are two completely different types of tools. May is on tv, and Dodd is a "print journalist". I am very capable of not respecting a damn thing that either of them has to say using their respective mediums(or in their cases, smallums).
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This is the most accurate analysis in the entire piece.
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I'm surprised he didn't sneek in a statement about ND not joining the big ten... don't they know how to market their own games???
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