Craig James: " Texas, VTech and tOSU

[Jeffcat]

Originally Posted by SC"U"Mbuster

Those two sentences alone will earn you a lifetime award on any Miami Hurricanes board. They sincerely believe that college football started in 1983.

lets face it our current ohio state would romp over any ohio state team we had in the 80's. football has evolved especially in the mid to late 90's. every year in the past couple years osu, usc, va tech, and texas are always looked at with high expectations and rightfully so. they are all high caliber programs and IMO the 4 most high caliber at this point and time.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by Jeffcat

lets face it our current ohio state would romp over any ohio state team we had in the 80's. football has evolved especially in the mid to late 90's. every year in the past couple years osu, usc, va tech, and texas are always looked at with high expectations and rightfully so. they are all high caliber programs and IMO the 4 most high caliber at this point and time.

Yeah, Miami and Oklahoma have sucked so bad since the year 2000.

[Onebuckfan]

Va Tech will prove it to me if they can maintain a high level of play after Beamer goes. Teams that are traditional powers maintain a high level of play even with less than stellar coaching.

[OSU Rob]

The thing about what Romeo did w/ Peyton is that 1) his d-backs were good enough to handle the colts wr's, but honestly, I dont know ANY team in the country can handle Jarrett, Smith, Bush, and all the other weapons that USC has, so its practically a guarantee that they get a mismatch every few plays. 2) college dbacks are more likely to make mistakes, especially against such great athletes, when playing a zone D, and USC just makes you pay virtually every time a mistake is made. NFL defenses make much fewer coverage mistakes compared to college, and thats where the Trojans make their money abusing teams w/ their ridiculous offensive talent.

[lvbuckeye]

Originally Posted by OSU Rob

The thing about what Romeo did w/ Peyton is that 1) his d-backs were good enough to handle the colts wr's, but honestly, I dont know ANY team in the country can handle Jarrett, Smith, Bush, and all the other weapons that USC has, so its practically a guarantee that they get a mismatch every few plays. 2) college dbacks are more likely to make mistakes, especially against such great athletes, when playing a zone D, and USC just makes you pay virtually every time a mistake is made. NFL defenses make much fewer coverage mistakes compared to college, and thats where the Trojans make their money abusing teams w/ their ridiculous offensive talent.

i'd be a LOT more inclined to agree with you if NE hadn't been using a M*A*S*H unit in their secondary... Randle Gay and Troy Brown??? come on! a career backup and a freaking Wide Receiver are not exactly suited to stop the most dangerous passing team in the league...

and I know a team that can handle Jarrett, Smith and Bush... they wear Scarlet and Gray...

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by Jeffcat

in this day and age of modern football 10 years is quite a bit of time and va tech has been to a title game so thats traditional enough for me. all 4 of these teams were known to be the prime NC contenders and so far have lived up to it.

sorry, jeff, but my idea of "traditional" is quite different. while virginia tech has produced some good teams the last handful of years, they have not persisted with excellence beyond the lifetime of a high school freshman.

ranking based on win percentage (among major schools; not including 2005):

last 5 years - tied for 12th
last 10 years - 9th
last 15 years - 13th
last 20 years - tied for 23rd
last 25 years - 22nd
last 30 years - 22nd
last 40 years - 27th
last 50 years - 30th

ironically, college football programs that are considered historical powerhouses are too often considered such because of what they've done recently. obviously, usc has done a great job of making an argument for the consideration of the school as a recent football powerhouse. they have undeniably been the best school for the last few years. however, their win percentage for the last 10 years ranks them at 17th. 17th is good but not outstanding. nonetheless, usc still must be considered a traditionally good football program; they are the 10th winningest program of the last 50 years and have the trophies to account for it.

these are the winningest major conference schools for the last 5 years, in order (not including boise state and l'ville, as such):

oklahoma
miami
texas
georgia
ohio state
louisiana state
southern cal
michigan
florida state
tennessee

these are the winningest schools (in the top 10 only) from the last 10 years that are ALSO among the winningest for the last 5 years (in order, according to the last 10 years):

fsu
tennessee
miami
osu
michigan
texas

these are the winningest schools (in the top 10 only) from the last 15 years that are also listed above (in order, according to the last 15 years):

fsu
miami
tennessee
michigan
ohio state
texas

same for last 20 years:

miami
fsu
michigan
tennessee
osu

25 years:

same

30 years:

fsu
michigan
miami
osu
tennessee

40 years:

michigan
osu
tennessee
fsu

50 years (and all the way back):

osu
michigan
tennessee

so, if you continually throw away the schools that aren't in the top 10, only three programs are left. each of these 3 schools are in the top 10 for EACH and ALL (yes, that's redundant) of the last 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50, and so on years.

i think i've strayed away from the original topic. lol. while my system is bound to receive arguments, it's just one way to look at powerhouse programs.

[sandgk]

Evidently Jeffcat didn't quite consider what perennial can mean in college football -- j/k

[OSU_Buckguy]

you know, the more that i look at the method i employed, the more i think it's a solid way of considering football powerhouses. think about it. osu, michigan, and tennessee are the only schools that are in the top 10 for each period you go back in time from today (at 5-year increments, starting with the last 5 seasons). right away, nebraska, one of the small handful of most storied programs, is left out. yes, it's harsh to discount so early nebraska, but such a system satisifies those of the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality.