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10-09-2005, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by craigblitz
as a whole ,the best, if not the best group of QBs we've ever had!
I am not sure if that makes me feel better or worse.....
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It makes me feel good about the future ...
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10-09-2005, 06:59 PM
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if I don't take us down the field, bench me
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Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck
Demonstrate to me how the 2005 team has more talent than the 2002 team....
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the above quote was in response to someone saying "2002 w/out a healthy clarett was not more talented"
2002 scores: @Wisconsin W, 19-14, Penn St 13-7, @Purdue 10-6, @ Illinois 16-16 (before OT), Michigan 14-9
Only difference is we got some lucky breaks on huge plays in all of those games, and we haven't had those this year. We didn't even score a TD against Penn St. on offense.
The coach from Friday Night Lights put it best: "Losing is a lot like winning. only difference is how everyone treats you."
I'm the last to suggest we don't need to make changes, but there's no way that 2002 team (for most of the year - ie clarett gimpy) was any better talent wise than the 2005 one, at least not on offense (and our D is pretty comparable to that one).
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10-09-2005, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jwinslow
I'm the last to suggest we don't need to make changes, but there's no way that 2002 team (for most of the year - ie clarett gimpy) was any better talent wise than the 2005 one, at least not on offense (and our D is pretty comparable to that one).
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10-09-2005, 07:09 PM
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I really dont see how anybody can see more talent in the 02' team. Jenkins, Gamble.......? I cant even think of anybody else on offense to even bring up.
Now look at 05. Holmes, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman, Hall, Smith.........and the sad thing is, with all that even said, I would kill for Krenzel back right now 
Krenzel would take nothing, and just make something out of it, because he is smart, and made no mistakes. I mean was he a great QB? Hell no. But that didnt matter. Smith is 10 times the athlete, has a much stronger arm, but he looks lost in this offense.
It is pointless to compare the 2 teams. My point in the matter is that even that team looked bad on offense more than it looked good. We need an OC. Anybody who just completely disagrees with that, needs to seek help. 
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10-09-2005, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BrutusMaximus
I really dont see how anybody can see more talent in the 02' team. Jenkins, Gamble.......? I cant even think of anybody else on offense to even bring up.
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QB: Krenzel vs. Smith or Zwick - strong edge Krenzel (2002)
TB: Clarett vs. Pittman - strong edge Clarett (2002)
FB: Joe vs. Johnson - edge Joe (2002)
WR: Jenkins vs. Holmes - edge Jenkins (2002)
WR: Gamble vs. Ginn - even
WR: Vance vs. Gonzalez - edge Gonzalez (2005)
TE: Hartsock vs. Hamby - strong edge Hartsock (2002)
OC: Stepanovich vs. Mangold - edge Stepanovich (2002)
OG: Clarke vs. Downing - even
OT: Olivea vs. Barton - edge Olivea (2002)
OL: Bishop vs. Datish - even
OL: Sims vs. Sims - edge Sims (2005)
PK: Nugent vs. Huston - edge Nugent (2002)
Am I missing something here? IMO, the only debateable match-up is Gamble vs. Ginn; Teddy clearly has the better potential, but he hasn't shown it this year. Even if we give the edge to Ginn, the 2002 squad still "wins" 8 out of 13 match-ups (three by a wide margin), and "ties" on 2 others. The 2005 squad only "wins" 3, and two of those are questionable - Ginn over Gamble (based on potential only); and Sims 2005 over Sims 2002 (Rob hasn't shown much progression since his freshman year); the third "win" is the 3rd wide-out position, not exactly the most key member of the offensive unit. But I'm probably "seeing" things incorrectly.
BTW, 2002 back-up QB Scott McMullen might have been better than either Smith or Zwick....
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10-09-2005, 07:39 PM
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Game Day!!!
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Good analysis LJB. Not that it really matters, but I think he was talking about that the 2005 team vs. 2002 Clarettless team. Am I wrong?
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10-09-2005, 07:49 PM
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