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10-10-2005, 03:58 PM
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A lot of things on offense might just be too predictable,but what about the old cliche of telling your opposition what you are running and still being able to make it work simply based on execution. They know what they are running they just aren't executing it to a degree that the defenses are helpless.
I honestly believe( like a million others) that this problem totally stimulates at the quarterback position. However, many others are doing a good job in offsetting this as well.
Troy Smith needs to become a better passer period. Accuracy and decision making (more so here) are killing the offense. If he didn't have the potential to run the ball, I cannot believe he would even be playing. That solely isn't a good enough reason for me to think he deserves all the playing time.
All I hear from everyone is that he is a "playmaker" and JZ isn't...Ok...He made some nice plays against michigan..So I guess we should just suffer the rest of his osu career because of that. If all we are gonna do is lineup,stand around and take off running with the qb. I'd honestly take my chances with Ginn as a full time quarterback instead of any of the others. Considering when Smith throws the ball he overshoots or throws into coverage while other wideouts are standing around waving their hands at him. I'm sure we could find someone else on the team that could do that,and is a better runner....
If his primary target isnt open,he's either running or he's getting beaten to death. I could understand sometimes not seeing someone slip through and get to him,but damn most of the time he's totally getting shotdown with him not even seeing him. That's not all the oline's fault..It's TS....
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10-10-2005, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ysubuck
The players don't seem to even know what's happening from one week to the next. Tony Gonzalez said they put in all these wrinkles during the bye week???? I saw nothing that I haven't seen 100 times before. In fact I saw less imagination than I've seen all season.
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Ah, not so, young grasshopper. If you recall, they successfully ran a screen pass. First one in memory, unless you count the wide receiver bubble screen. 
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10-10-2005, 04:50 PM
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There isn't much left that I can say that hasn't been covered. There have been some really great posts.
One thing that bothers me...it seems as though other teams are able to recruit "good" athletes and coach them into "great athletes. We are able to recruit "great" athletes right out of high school, then after a year of our coaching get no better or even seem to be worse than when they arrived. TGII for one, seems to have taken a step backward after a full year in the system.
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10-10-2005, 05:39 PM
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Ok I am going to take a stab at this and I have a feeling it is going to be super long.
1. Lets me first address the whole philosphy of recruiting. It is so hit or miss it isnt funny. Sometimes things turn out great and sometimes they don't. It is like the NFL draft, they even have 4 good years to evalutate talent and a ton of combine stuff. Well if this is true why did Tim Couch get drafted as the first pick and Tom Brady go in the 6th round. That is why I don't buy into the whole we recruit great athletes others recruit good. That is true on some occasions when you are talking about guys like Ted Ginn and guys like that. Some are just special and some under the radar guys just have that knack for football. See Terry Glenn he was a walk-on. Some players develop faster and better than others. I must say that under Tressell he has brought in some very highly ranked players and and he has brought in players when people have been like what is he thinking. I think he has been doing very good about getting this right.
After all that mess I will just say that I think Recruiting is fine.
2. I will know go to the development of players. Development of the players is not a problem. You can't expect everyone to develop into George, Glenn, Pace, and AA's. We know we would like it, but it is not the norm. This year we should have anywhere from 2 to 4 all-americans and quite a few on the all-big ten teams. I would say we are developing our players fine. Also we sent 14 guys to the nfl a couple years ago so it looks like they are developing talent quite nicely.
So I also think the develpment is fine
3. Coaching technique. I know some people have been down on Bollman for o-line, but we brought in peterson from Miami as a recruiting cord. and help with o-line. I know I would like to see less missed blocks, but sometimes it is just the nature of the game. It has nothing to do with the ways the coaches are teaching them to block. Every coach tells an o-lineman the same damn thing, get lower than your man, extend you arms and drive. Then break off to the backer. Sometimes you just get beat, it is an attitude, that has been improving since the 03' season when I think they just didnt have a good running back to make them look as good as they were. But I think we have some damn good lineman right now and we are restocking them too, unlike when Tress took over.
Coaching technique I also think is fine.
4. Offensive philosophy. I know this is where I am going to strongly disagree with a lot of you guys.
First does Tressel have a conservative mind set. Yes. Can an offense be good with a conservative mind set. Yes.
So what needs to happen to have a good offense with a conservative mind set. Execution, Execution, Execution.
I am going to start off by comparing our offense to lets say Princeton in basketball. They set pick after pick and wait for the pefect oppurtunity to take advantage of the defense wheter it be an open three or a back door cut for a layup. The word I like to call it is METHODICAL. Is it fun to watch no(unelss they are your team), does it get the job done yes. So when they go up against a lesser team they still do everything like they would agaisnt a better team and so they still don't put up a great value of points, b/c they still walk it up the court and work the shot clock, just like they would do against a better team.
Our offense doesnt have the execution, we are not finding the open areas in the zones, we are not making the pass, the block, the catch.
It has nothing to do with the play call that is in. All plays are put in the game to be run to pefection and gain yardage.
I have never seen a game where the playcalling was a obvious problem. Playcalling is a problem when you are running the ball when it is 3rd and 7. Or passing on 4th and inches. Last game we were trying to create mismatches with Teddy motioning out and putting gonzo in the slot and so forth. We didnt find the mismatches. Maybe they were covered or something.
I think a main problem in our offense is that teams play zone against us and we are not able to just find the open area and when we do the ball arrives late.
Last game we use PA we threw down the field and we tried to get Teddy the ball.
Also we do not run a spread offense. We run a basic offense out of a spread formation. We do it to get our best guys on the field and to spread the defense out. I can almost guarntee when we get Chris Wells and he is as good as advertised we will be back in the power I.
So is there one thing that can fix the problems no. Does USC have problems on offense yes, but they look flashy b/c they don't play great defenses. I am not discrediting USC offense but they havent played great defenses like we have and.
The only thing I would like to see is more execution, hit a deep ball, bust that long run, and things to that nature. It is just one thing or another that is not happening. They need to work at it and get it right. I don't think it helps that they are still trying to find themselves and it doesnt help when there are 108,000 fans screaming and yelling and one of your main contributors goes down.
So lets all just settle down and let young kids go and try and find themselves out on the field.
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10-10-2005, 06:56 PM
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it's funny when you think back to the Coop days......we had a fantastic offense, and mediocre defenses. Just about every year. Now, we have fantastic D and Special teams, and horrid offenses every year. Still say we should hire Coop as the OC.........
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10-10-2005, 07:17 PM
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Or against Michigan, or in a Bowl game
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10-10-2005, 07:23 PM
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Or against Michigan, or in a Bowl game |
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10-10-2005, 08:03 PM
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I don't think I have ever seen a snap from center with more than 5 seconds left on play clock since JT has been here. You have a QB coming under center with 10-12 seconds to call a play and read the defense and I don't think either of them are capable of doing so in such a short time. Both of our qbs. are capable of a big game but are too inconsistent. My take is that QB. coaching is lacking as was the O-line last week at PSU.
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