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That's a mere technicality. 
Now why are you here instead of with that beautiful wife of yours?
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1. Coaching a. Instruction (technique, for example) I'm an ex teacher/track coach. I have no business telling these coaches how to go about their job.
b. Game planning & schemes No comment
c. Adjustments during the game; Seems to me that the Bucks do this very well on the defensive side of the ball but haven't done it on the offensive side. I'd want to staff the problem and examine what the defensive coordinator is doing that the oc isn't. Maybe this means a look in the mirror.
d. Overall philosophy: Loosen up! You've got three GREAT wideouts and you can't get the ball to them? Makes no sense whatsoever. If nothing else three GREAT deep threats should force the dls and lbs to react by either blitizing or playing back. Staff the problem. Where are our plays to take advantage of this situation? I haven't seen screens, I haven't seen TEs or RBs sneaking into the open space that should be created by having so much potential going down field. What the hell is going on in the red zone and why haven't we solved it in five years.
It's probably silly to imagine that these things aren't being hashed out in staff meetings, but then you have wonder why the Bucks couldn't do anything with all the field position they had against Texas and PSU, or why, with the kind of talent they get vs the rest of the Big 10, they're still so ineffective with the ball.
What would happen if JT took his staff on retreat and said, "Look at our stats. Are you telling me we can't out rush, out pass Indiana, Northwestern, Ill... opps we can out rush and out pass them... we should be in the top two or three of those league statistics year in and year out. Why aren't we?"
Again, I'm not a football coach, but there are reasons why programs like Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State succeed. It starts with tradition which begets money and facilities which begets talent. If 80 year old Joe Paterno can learn, then so can can JT.
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Originally Posted by FKAGobucks877
That's a mere technicality.
Now why are you here instead of with that beautiful wife of yours? |
Probably beating it to a few pornos for endurance purposes
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Originally Posted by cincibuck
1. Coaching a. Instruction (technique, for example) I'm an ex teacher/track coach. I have no business telling these coaches how to go about their job.
b. Game planning & schemes No comment
c. Adjustments during the game; Seems to me that the Bucks do this very well on the defensive side of the ball but haven't done it on the offensive side. I'd want to staff the problem and examine what the defensive coordinator is doing that the oc isn't. Maybe this means a look in the mirror.
d. Overall philosophy: Loosen up! You've got three GREAT wideouts and you can't get the ball to them? Makes no sense whatsoever. If nothing else three GREAT deep threats should force the dls and lbs to react by either blitizing or playing back. Staff the problem. Where are our plays to take advantage of this situation? I haven't seen screens, I haven't seen TEs or RBs sneaking into the open space that should be created by having so much potential going down field. What the hell is going on in the red zone and why haven't we solved it in five years.
It's probably silly to imagine that these things aren't being hashed out in staff meetings, but then you have wonder why the Bucks couldn't do anything with all the field position they had against Texas and PSU, or why, with the kind of talent they get vs the rest of the Big 10, they're still so ineffective with the ball.
What would happen if JT took his staff on retreat and said, "Look at our stats. Are you telling me we can't out rush, out pass Indiana, Northwestern, Ill... opps we can out rush and out pass them... we should be in the top two or three of those league statistics year in and year out. Why aren't we?"
Again, I'm not a football coach, but there are reasons why programs like Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State succeed. It starts with tradition which begets money and facilities which begets talent. If 80 year old Joe Paterno can learn, then so can can JT.
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see the thread on breakdown of Tresselball and you will answer your last paragraph.
Hey FKA is you wouldnt mind I would like for you to elaborate on your whole philosophy theory.
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Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40
Hey FKA is you wouldnt mind I would like for you to elaborate on your whole philosophy theory.
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Not exactly sure what you mean, but here's a stab:
See LJB's "definition" of Tresselball on his post last page. I think that explanation is very accurate. Jim Tressel's offensive philosophy doesn't really seem to exist much. He primarily likes a lights out defense, great special teams, and leaves the offense to get points if and when they have good field position. You will hardly ever see Tressel throw the ball on third and 15 from inside our twenty, because that is a risk, and he'd rather just punt and try again next time.
The overall philosophy, to me, seems to be that if you play a mistake-free, EFFICIENT offensive game, you will be in a position to win. This sounds great, on paper. I take issue with the fact that certain people are not executing, which equals a mistake. Additionally, when you play this type of game, you almost invariably leave the opponent with a chance at victory. Another downside is that once a mistake (or mistakes) are made, your offense has no experience or confidence to be able to retake the lead. Think about the instances in the last several years where tOSU has been down, and needed to come back, late in the game, for a score. What has happened? In 2002, thanks to luck and several miracles, it was possible. Then we went to Wisconsin in 2003, where we needed seven for a tie...and JT punted. And then the defense, for the first time in a long time, couldn't hold. Texas - and inexperienced QB in Zwick, who had only played half the game, made an HONEST mistake by trying a little too hard. I do not blame Zwick. PSU - same thing.
The Texas game is probably the best example. Tresselball would have worked in that game IF all of the players would have executed and not made any mistakes. The problem is, 99.9% of the time, somebody IS going to make a mistake. It's part of the game. Hamby DID drop that TD. Zwick DID fumble. But if Tressel would have taken even the smallest of risks, just a couple of times, on drives that we started inside our opponents 35 yard line, those mistakes would NOT have mattered. Many blame the play-calling, but to me, the play-calling is a by-product of the system, or the philosophy. If the philosophy is to score TD's, or to play to win, as opposed to taking a minimalistic "no risk" play not to lose approach, then the play-calling will take care of itself, because it is a result of the philosophy.
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Originally Posted by FKAGobucks877
Not exactly sure what you mean, but here's a stab:
See LJB's "definition" of Tresselball on his post last page. I think that explanation is very accurate. Jim Tressel's offensive philosophy doesn't really seem to exist much. He primarily likes a lights out defense, great special teams, and leaves the offense to get points if and when they have good field position. You will hardly ever see Tressel throw the ball on third and 15 from inside our twenty, because that is a risk, and he'd rather just punt and try again next time.
The overall philosophy, to me, seems to be that if you play a mistake-free, EFFICIENT offensive game, you will be in a position to win. This sounds great, on paper. I take issue with the fact that certain people are not executing, which equals a mistake. Additionally, when you play this type of game, you almost invariably leave the opponent with a chance at victory. Another downside is that once a mistake (or mistakes) are made, your offense has no experience or confidence to be able to retake the lead. Think about the instances in the last several years where tOSU has been down, and needed to come back, late in the game, for a score. What has happened? In 2002, thanks to luck and several miracles, it was possible. Then we went to Wisconsin in 2003, where we needed seven for a tie...and JT punted. And then the defense, for the first time in a long time, couldn't hold. Texas - and inexperienced QB in Zwick, who had only played half the game, made an HONEST mistake by trying a little too hard. I do not blame Zwick. PSU - same thing.
The Texas game is probably the best example. Tresselball would have worked in that game IF all of the players would have executed and not made any mistakes. The problem is, 99.9% of the time, somebody IS going to make a mistake. It's part of the game. Hamby DID drop that TD. Zwick DID fumble. But if Tressel would have taken even the smallest of risks, just a couple of times, on drives that we started inside our opponents 35 yard line, those mistakes would NOT have mattered. Many blame the play-calling, but to me, the play-calling is a by-product of the system, or the philosophy. If the philosophy is to score TD's, or to play to win, as opposed to taking a minimalistic "no risk" play not to lose approach, then the play-calling will take care of itself, because it is a result of the philosophy.
Did that help? If not, just let me know more specifically what you're looking for...
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Well said, FKA.... I for one think if you get the ball inside the 35 you take a shot at the EZ immediately. Stick the knife in quick. Seems Tress prefers just to run the iso so that we don't lose a FG opp. If we get 6, great, but don't give up the 3. It wouldn't hurt to pop one or two balls at the goal line.
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