Geiger Playing Defense For Program

OSUBasketballJunkie · #1 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 01:45 PM

Interesting article, defending the football program and Coach T.

http://www.limanews.com/story.php?IDnum=5927

Quote:

“But when 48 hours after they hear that type of lecture (from Tressel) and go out and make that type of mistake, it’s very discouraging.”
Tressel suspended Irizarry and Guilford the day after the alleged robbery. Geiger made it clear Tuesday that they won’t be back in Ohio State uniforms.
“The two young people have irrevocably thrown away any connection with Ohio State foot-ball. That’s too bad, what a waste. They’re talented guys. I’m at a loss to explain it,” he said.

SOUNDS PRETTY CUT AND DRY BOTH ARE HISTORY AT OSU, WHAT A WASTE OF TALENT, WELCOME TO THE LOCAL PRISON LEAGUE IZZY IDIOT AND IRA GUILTY GUILFORD.

MililaniBuckeye · #2 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 02:10 PM

Irizarry could've been an all-conference tight end, and maybe an all-american. Now he's just going to be Bubba's "tight end".

Oh8ch · #3 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 03:23 PM

Quote:

“But when 48 hours after they hear that type of lecture (from Tressel) and go out and make that type of mistake, it’s very discouraging.”

I love Andy and I love JT, but I gotta say this.

I have seen this quote three times now and it still bothers me in relation to this particular incident. It seems to imply that the coach needs to talk to the kids and remind them not to mug people. As if Geiger is saying, "How can Irizarry go out and knock a kid to the ground and take his billfold after we just told them not to go robbing people?"

This incident is unlike anything that has happened since Stonerook and Co. were out breaking into cars in the parking garage when Ayers was here. Regardless of all the good things people say about Irizarry and his grades and community service this is not something you do because you were out late or had one to many. He is a thug. He may need help, but he also needs punishment.

Greg Simpson was a well known thug well before OSU extended a scholarship offer. That he behaved as he did during and after his stay at OSU should surprise no one. I have always resented Randy Ayers for bringing him here and putting this stain on the program. He knew.

Most of the time you can't see this stuff coming, but often you can. Everything about Irizarry indicates he has taken a serious left turn since coming to OSU. Such a turn is unusual, but I am trying very hard to believe that is exactly what happened.

I was in the Schott when JT delivered his "they will make you proud in the community" speech. He did not promise we would have beahvior problems comparable to other major programs - he promised much better than that.

This crap is getting old.

edbuck51 · #4 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 03:39 PM

I've heard tons of complaints about JT, Geiger, and how OSU should be doing better. I have not heard one of the criticizers offer any suggestions on how they could do things better. It would be great if all we read or heard about the Bucks was how outstanding everyone was, or how many national championships they won. I think with Tressel in charge we'll have plenty of those stories. Unfortunately, there are going to be troubling stories with students athletes as well. Look at what's going on at Penn State. They nearly cancelled their spring game because they had so many suspensions. This is a problem for all colleges, not just Ohio State. Players, parents, and the people who mold these players when they are young need to be accountable more than the college coach. Who should shoulder the blame for Clarett's attitude? Tressel, Geiger, or Mrs. Clarett? I try to send an e-mail to every journalist who has called Tressel to task for this, and asked what they would do to make things better. I'm still waiting on my first response. Hopefully, one day people in this country will quit trying to fix the symptom, or redirecting the blame, and get around to addressing the problem. What about Irizarry and Guilford? People are acting like it's OSU's fault that they did what they did. Aren't they responsible in some way?

themongoose32 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 03:50 PM

Great post edbuck. It's easy to point the finger of blame at a person and a lot harder to actually come up with a perfect solution that will solve every problem there is in the world. What happened in the Irrizary and Guilford case was no ones fault but there own, there is just no one else to blame.

The Mongoose

MililaniBuckeye · #6 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 03:54 PM

Everything about Irizarry indicates he has taken a serious left turn since coming to OSU.

He had made that left turn well before coming to OSU...the problem is that Tressel didn't see him make it.

edbuck51 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 04:43 PM

Mililani. That's part of my point as well. When he got into situations when he was younger, why did'nt the people around him nip things in the bud then? I'm not at all sure what happened when he was still in high school, but apparently he had issues. Maybe someone could have thrown him a rope then. Maybe someone tried, and Louis just has one of those personalities where you continue to make mistakes no matter how hard others try to help. I'd bet nobody wanted Louis to be successful more than JT, but I guess some guys just don't get it.