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Old 10-25-2005, 05:02 PM
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Margins of victory don't affect rankings in the computer polls used in the BCS, either.

The timing of losses isn't used in most of them, but I think 1 or 2 may factor it in. I don't think it should be in the computer polls.
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i'm trying to follow, couple question though...

can you give a explanation of what each ranking is? example, A = win percent. what does B, C, D represent?
Maybe I didn't explain it well enough. I don't know that I can explain it differently. A was the ranking of all the teams based solely on win percentage. 7-1 Poop Tech would be ranked higher in the A column than 4-4 Squishy Pants State, even though SPS beat PT 55-0.

B was a different system. Teams get/lose points for winning/losing games, and the points are based on who they beat, and whether the game was home or away. The number B represents the rank a team is, related to all other teams, based on those points. The weight of the game is based on the opposing teams' A ranking.

C and D are similar to B, in that teams get or lose points for winning or losing games. The weight of the games for the C ranking is based on the teams' B ranking, and the weight of the games for the D ranking is based on the teams' C ranking.

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why do you use the C and the D twice in the final average?
I wanted to make those categories more important to the overall ranking. A is based solely on win percentage. We all know that win percentage does not indicate a team's overall rank compared to the rest of Div-IA. B uses that ranking to determine the "strength" of a team's schedule, in a way. But beating 7-1 Poop Tech would help a team's ranking as much as beating 7-1 Penn State. So I carried it out further with the C ranking, and again to the D ranking. Then I figured C and D should carry more weight in the overall rank, so they're in the final equation twice each.

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seems like there is a level of redundancy. your B ranking is directly based off of the team's win-loss record but so is the win percentage. would your rankings change any if you deleted the win percentage from the equation?

why do you take the next iteration (for lack of a better word) of the B ranking, i don't follow that part.
Again, I didn't want all 7-1 teams to be lumped into the same category when it comes to strength of schedule. The more iterations (to use your word - works as well as any I have), I've found, increases the difference between teams based on their schedules.
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thanks, i'm starting to catch on now. the A,B,C,D are rankings (1-117) not some formulized number (.0567). i was getting hung up on that one.
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Time for another meanlingless ranking:

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</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
67

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
N.C. State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
68

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Ohio
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
69

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Nevada
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
70

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Wake Forest
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
71

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Cincinnati
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
72

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Marshall
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
73

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Navy
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
74

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Western Michigan
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
74

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Utah
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
76

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Kansas State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
77

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Northern Illinois
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
78

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Connecticut
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
79

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Washington State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
80

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Bowling Green
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
81

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Arkansas
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
2

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
82

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Purdue
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
2

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
6

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
83

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Mississippi
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
84

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Oklahoma State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
85

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Arkansas State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
85

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Hawaii
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
85

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Akron
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
88

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Eastern Michigan
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
89

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Illinois
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
2

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
6

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
90

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
San Diego State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
6

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
91

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
East Carolina
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
3

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="16%" height=16>
92

</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
</TD><TD width="36%" height=16>
Ball State
</TD><TD width="16%" height=16>
2

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