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Old 11-02-2005, 05:41 PM
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I said "ALL". I do not doubt for a second that many turn to him with tons of personal stuff.
I would argue that it is all or very close to all when you consider every coach on that staff has a different level of bonding with every kid. Amongst the entire staff, I would say they have the roster pretty darn near covered.

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I have been in a locker room, in football, bball and baseball. There is no way that everyone person confides in one coach, considering there are so many players on the team. That is why there are position coahces, each player goes to individual coaches, and you have to figure there are people that are unhappy with the coach for whatever reason, big oe being Pt(just like Fred Davis was unhappy with Pete last year)
See above.
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Old 11-02-2005, 05:45 PM
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I would have to agree with grad here. The recruiting process alone allows for the staff and/or head coach to develop a very close relationship with at least the 85 scholarship players on the team.

I know that in college my position coach and head coach knew just about everything that was going on in my life at that time. I wasn't a starter and didn't really last on the team for that long, but I would have had no qualms about going to either guy about something that was bothering me or that had happened in my family. Even after my "playing days" were done.
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I would consider myself a very open person (almost to a fault at times) and have confided in a number of coaches (and other adults) about personal matters, and yet when I've struggled with depression my pattern of opening up was completely reversed. Sometimes you can tell when someone is depressed, other times they mask it quite well.

I do not think this is something that is going to cause a trainwreck for anyone. It is not something that someone will carry with them for a long time either. However, I think it is fairly careless considering the sensitive nature of someone committing suicide, on a number of levels.

It's not just about the people where it hits close to home. I guess I just have a problem with my coach making me think one of my closest buddies just committed suicide.
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You don't share that with someone unless you are very comfortable opening up, and football players are hardly the right demographic to assume they all have confided in Carroll.
Listen to Tressel speak about the recruiting experiences of players; he could tell you what some third string long snappers' mother's meat loaf tasted like, and whether or not the family dog would eat it.

I'm sure between the head coach, coordinators, position coaches, training staff, graduate assistants, and Sparky the 85 year old equipment manager, every player is pretty well covered.

Really, I'd like to hear HAYN's experiences with this before speculating any further.
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What the hell has this thread become?

I stand by my assertions above, but if we're now saying coaches don't know their players, I'm signing off.

Coaches don't CONTROL their players, I think I can buy that, but I think they know em pretty well. I don't think I've argued Carrol was careless because he doesn't know his players, although, I may have inadvertantly implied the same.
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Really, I'd like to hear HAYN's experiences with this before speculating any further.
Hell, Hawg and plenty of others can attest to the relationship.

Everyday, at post-practice meetings, we discussed, as a staff, the daily news from the kids. Everyone contributes...who is drinking on weekends, who may have a girl pregnant, etc.

Bewteen the entire staff, we always had every kid covered down to the most minute details.
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I guess I just see suicide/depression being the sort of thing that you don't mess with.

Tressel clearly knows his players like a book. I just don't know if you can know for sure on something this touchy. My earlier statement was misguided. I think it is very possible for a player to not have revealed a close relative/friend's struggle with depression/suicide (especially if they were not "successful").
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Why not turn the sprinklers on during practice, or something stupid like that.
Because then Carroll would be accused of wasting water and hating the environment.

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It's official (I said it when I started this thread and I'll say it again now with the recent events - USC is the media darling). The article below is no where on the ESPN site, but there are two articles giving Petey a hummer and one about a student who was killed during the World's Biggest Cocktail Party. Battery, A ok by them!
It's the top story on the list of headlines in the college football section of espn.com
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It is indeed up now... my apologies! It wasn't when I posted earlier.

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Because then Carroll would be accused of wasting water and hating the environment.



It's the top story on the list of headlines in the college football section of espn.com
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