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10-13-2005, 02:32 PM
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this crap is funny, we need anyone who will put our playmakers in a postion to make plays its that simple.
OH by the way its the coaches job.
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10-13-2005, 03:22 PM
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This thread's been jacked, I repeat, this thread's been jacked.
Just kidding.
But seriously, instead of all the bitching, let's at least have one thread to brainstorm other potential candidates. Let's try to find some sort of solution. Knowing that Tressel doesn't want to completely lose all control of the offense, I think young, up and coming coaches would fit the mold.
Does anyone else have any ideas?
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10-13-2005, 03:27 PM
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Assuming it was a possibility to have a true OC, I like your idea best. Young guy who has studied and worked with a top notch OC (Weis), has OH ties, dad is a HS coaching legend in OH, family connection to Tressel, and more. I'm not sure if he would make a jump from the pros to the collegiate ranks, but different things motivate each one of us.
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10-13-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckinMichigan
Stag:
Assuming it was a possibility to have a true OC, I like your idea best. Young guy who has studied and worked with a top notch OC (Weis), has OH ties, dad is a HS coaching legend in OH, family connection to Tressel, and more. I'm not sure if he would make a jump from the pros to the collegiate ranks, but different things motivate each one of us.
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trying to persuade an up and coming offensive coach to come here would be a tough sell. look at the dichotomy between the offensive and defensive staff here. With the exception of Heacock, all of the defensive staff have been great younger coaches that were up and coming through the ranks. Dantonio, Snyder, Tucker all went on to bigger jobs. Fickell, Beckman and Haynes all seem like great hires at this juncture. Let's contrast that with the offensive staff. Daniels and Bollman are entrenched here like an Alabama tick in a coon-dog's ear. Dick Tressel isn't exactly a spring chicken either. It's not as if the phone is ringing off the hook with better opportunities for these guys.
Bottom line is that any offensive coach will have to resign himself to the fact that there will be minimal advancement opportunities here as long as JT is the head coach. Honestly, will there be a large market for an OC that doesn't even get to call his own plays on gamedays?
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10-13-2005, 04:25 PM
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My OSU/UT invite
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10-13-2005, 04:26 PM
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Fanatic - I've seen that post in two seperate threads now. You can start your own thread, you know. It'd be appreciated rather than posting it everywhere.
Cool offer, btw.
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10-13-2005, 04:28 PM
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Not ever having been a football coach, I can only answer from the perspective of business. Organizations need to have a learning orientation so that they can remain agile and adapt to changing environmental and competitive forces. This requires a management structure that encourages managers to take risks to try to perform better.
I like Jim Tressel very much but I am beginning to worry about the things that I have seen and heard this year. For whatever reason, Ohio State's offense is not getting the job done and Coach Tressel is the man who is going to have to look deep inside and judge whether he is best placed to fix the problems that exist. No manager can "do it alone" and it sounds like Coach Tressel may be starting to realize that he may need some help.
In my opinion, one cause of our low offensive production is our inability or unwillingness to recognize and adapt to increasing parity in tough defenses. A few years ago, we won because our defense was truly unique. It may still be one of the best in college football, but the gap between it and others has diminished. Texas and Penn State performed as well as we did defensively on the day, because they had to shut down a less potent offense than they put on the field.
When we put a weaker offense on the field than our competitors, there is only so much that the defense can do to win the game.
What Jim Tressel needs is offensive coaches who will say no. He needs to rip this offense apart. It may have to wait to the off-season but he needs to do it. He needs people to disagree with him and to challenge and be challenged by him. I don't think we need anyone else from the northeastern Ohio quadrant. We need fresh blood that is willing to stand and be counted.
I'm not sure that this young man has enough clout to stand up to Jim Tressel, so I don't think that he is a good person for the job.
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10-13-2005, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve19
Not ever having been a football coach, I can only answer from the perspective of business. Organizations need to have a learning orientation so that they can remain agile and adapt to changing environmental and competitive forces. This requires a management structure that encourages managers to take risks to try to perform better.
I like Jim Tressel very much but I am beginning to worry about the things that I have seen and heard this year. For whatever reason, Ohio State's offense is not getting the job done and Coach Tressel is the man who is going to have to look deep inside and judge whether he is best placed to fix the problems that exist. No manager can "do it alone" and it sounds like Coach Tressel may be starting to realize that he may need some help.
In my opinion, one cause of our low offensive production is our inability or unwillingness to recognize and adapt to increasing parity in tough defenses. A few years ago, we won because our defense was truly unique. It may still be one of the best in college football, but the gap between it and others has diminished. Texas and Penn State performed as well as we did defensively on the day, because they had to shut down a less potent offense than they put on the field.
When we put a weaker offense on the field than our competitors, there is only so much that the defense can do to win the game.
What Jim Tressel needs is offensive coaches who will say no. He needs to rip this offense apart. It may have to wait to the off-season but he needs to do it. He needs people to disagree with him and to challenge and be challenged by him. I don't think we need anyone else from the northeastern Ohio quadrant. We need fresh blood that is willing to stand and be counted.
I'm not sure that this young man has enough clout to stand up to Jim Tressel, so I don't think that he is a good person for the job.
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