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09-21-2005, 06:56 AM
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All right I got up at 4 and watched some tape from the previous years.
It ain't coaching or playcalling. Executation is the key word. It's been peat and repeated in this thread already. When the offense starts working as a cohesive unit all on the same page, watch out!
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09-21-2005, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BoxCar_Willie
All right I got up at 4 and watched some tape from the previous years.
It ain't coaching or playcalling. Executation is the key word. It's been peat and repeated in this thread already. When the offense starts working as a cohesive unit all on the same page, watch out!
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Okay, then ask the next question...why do different groups of players over different years and different offensive schemes all have execution problems?
It all gets back to coaching no matter which school of thought you subscribe to. FritoBandito nailed it on the head, JT needs to clean house on the offensive side, hire talented coaches and let them work.
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09-21-2005, 07:52 AM
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Would you rather have a 38-35 loss, but the offense plays well?
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See I think this is the point you all are missing. We have the defense to hold a team like Texas to 20 points or less. We have the TALENT on offense to score 40 on them. We had no business losing that game. Just because we have an incredible defense, doesnt mean there wont be times where we have to score points to win. Which sounds better to you, 2-1, or 3-0? 
And everybody keeps bringing up that it isnt coaching, it's execution. So tell me, has it been execution the past 4 years as well? Negative.
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09-21-2005, 08:55 AM
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Poor execution on offense (with some exceptions) over the last four years points to coaching.
Excellent execution on defense is also due to coaching. Bandito brings up a great point. When was the last time that one of the offensive coaches was being considered for ANY job at ANY other school?
Meanwhile we lose our Defensive Coordinator and one of two defensive coaches every other year.
Lack of execution does fall on the players during games, but why is this lack of execution there at all? Players play the way that they are coached to play. Jim Tressel has a HUGE fault and it is incredible loyalty to those who are close to him.
If the offense performs poorly this week then all the excuses are gone. There is no hangover this week and the players should be ready to eat nails after the beating they took at the hands of Iowa last season.
A bad performance by the offense this year and Daniels and Bollman need to resign to save their friend the pain of having to fire them.
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09-21-2005, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BrutusMaximus
And everybody keeps bringing up that it isnt coaching, it's execution. So tell me, has it been execution the past 4 years as well? Negative.
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Execution drops balls, misses assignments, misses blocks...not coaching. If I had to bet, I would wager Hamby and Ginn catch about everything in practice and the OL blocks like hell. However, there is a world of difference when that stadium fills up and players are flying at you with bad intentions.
Coaching puts you in a position to win games...but players must do the rest.
This staff has put us in position to win games.
Coaching is a never-ending process of working to get better via adjustments and learning...some things work, some things you scrap.
If JT started taking more risks and it lead to more turnovers and more stress on the defense...people would find something else to complain about.
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09-21-2005, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ysubuck
Poor execution on offense (with some exceptions) over the last four years points to coaching.
Excellent execution on defense is also due to coaching. Bandito brings up a great point. When was the last time that one of the offensive coaches was being considered for ANY job at ANY other school?
Meanwhile we lose our Defensive Coordinator and one of two defensive coaches every other year.
Lack of execution does fall on the players during games, but why is this lack of execution there at all? Players play the way that they are coached to play. Jim Tressel has a HUGE fault and it is incredible loyalty to those who are close to him.
If the offense performs poorly this week then all the excuses are gone. There is no hangover this week and the players should be ready to eat nails after the beating they took at the hands of Iowa last season.
A bad performance by the offense this year and Daniels and Bollman need to resign to save their friend the pain of having to fire them.
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While I'm not jumping onto the clean-out the offensive out-house bandwagon - I am forced to ask...
How far into the offensive staff would such wholesale re-tooling go? To be specific, does your thinking include that close Tressel family member the RB coach?
Further, if such changes are merited for the future good of the program -- WHEN should such changes occur, bearing in mind the present good for the program?
The first seems to me to be pretty obvious if you are of the mindset that the offensive assistants and coordinators need to change, and given the debatable improvements in our running game, then would not Dick's head also be on the chopping block? Talk about a really tough call for Jim Tressel.
The second is more delicate. Changing now would impose a radical strain on the staff, and likely be far more detrimental to the current season, let alone player development. Thus, it seems to me that even if O-coordinator or assistant changes are merited, it becomes somewhat of a moot point for this year.
One also must consider the reins of power -- how much influence does an Ohio State Offensive Coordinator truly have, it is after all often asserted that Jim is THE one calling the plays. Have we actually seen the fruits of a true offensive coordinator at Ohio State since (say) Walt Harris and his ilk were on campus?
In summary, the time for change, if change was needed, was in the off-season. The time for future change, if that change is merited, is after this season, not during the same. Lastly, the question of whether such change is at all merited is thoroughly confounded by the true degree of freedom enjoyed by our current staff of coordinators and assistants to design game-plans and call plays in drives.
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09-21-2005, 09:33 AM
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Execution drops balls, misses assignments, misses blocks...not coaching. If I had to bet, I would wager Hamby and Ginn catch about everything in practice and the OL blocks like hell. However, there is a world of difference when that stadium fills up and players are flying at you with bad intentions.
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5 years of it? I dont see how we can possibly have 5 years of recruits having the same problems. Coaching is what teaches players to execute, and puts the players in the position to make plays. You are telling me that USC's offensive players are just far and away better than Ohio State's?
And if that IS the case, then I guess Tress cannot recruit offensive talent. 
This is a really fun discussion
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