Greatest need for improvement....

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by Jeffcat

id rather see the other team score on an occasional big play than take 5 minutes off the clock and score anyways and our offense doesnt get the chance to put points up for us cause they are not on the field. not to mention the defense has a better chance of forcing TO's if we mixed it up.

1) The coverages are mixed up well. Therefore, I would question how many of them you are recognizing.

2) No defense EVER wants to give up a big play and I would never prefer to see that than a bend don't break philosophy.

Not trying to pile up on you here, but I think your viewpoint here is severely misguided.

I'll agree to disagree here.

Originally Posted by Jeffcat

no im saying limas sweed had a tremendous advanatge being 6'5" and with the highest vetical on the team the coverage really didnt matter. you throw a jump vs our shorter and lower vertical leap dbs.......well you saw the end result. thats alright we are bringing our own version of james hardy next year. plus halls a BIG guy.

Salley was late over the top...it was his zone, it was a perfect ball, and Salley vs. Sweed is not a big height advantage.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by Jeffcat

not all the time but i hate seeing us get ripped up defenselessly in the first half of games and the other team can do it with ease. one of these times we are not going to come back from it. luckily we have the talent and athlets to make it through with a W in most cases but i really dislike teetering on the edge of defeat, MSU could of, texas did, minny went all over us, cinci was a dropped pass from winning, NC state took us to 3OT's. its always close. now yes you will have your close games but mix it up more. id rather see the other team score on an occasional big play than take 5 minutes off the clock and score anyways and our offense doesnt get the chance to put points up for us cause they are not on the field. not to mention the defense has a better chance of forcing TO's if we mixed it up.

I'm calling bull[censored]. You'd rather see OSU give up the occassional big play until they start actually giving up the occasional big play.

Average Per Completion...... 5.1 (Illinois)
Average Per Completion...... 20.2 (Ohio State)

Which D gave up "the occasional big play?"

And Minny got so many passing yards because of the deep ball, not the 5 yarder you're so worried about.

[Jeffcat]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

1) The coverages are mixed up well. Therefore, I would question how many of them you are recognizing.

2) No defense EVER wants to give up a big play and I would never prefer to see that than a bend don't break philosophy.

Not trying to pile up on you here, but I think your viewpoint here is severely misguided.

I'll agree to disagree here.


Salley was late over the top...it was his zone, it was a perfect ball, and Salley vs. Sweed is not a big height advantage.

our coverages for the overwhelming majority are soft zones unless a team is running twins right or a dual TE formation. it changes but not very often and in most of the cases its only a change because we have whitner blitzing or carp blitzing leaving a guy to stay up.

i suppose its preference. i have confidence our d can still be solid in man and cover 2 when its used more often but i find it demoralizing as a player if you feel as if you are stopping them and look back around and they are getting ready to score. preference there i suppose.

yea salley is only about 3 inches lower overall but sweed has one of the best verticals in the country. texas runs that play all the time. simliar to our fade in 02 where it was basically unstoppable except they run it in reverse fashion and let sweed turn around and jump up and get it. i suppose i cant blame them.

[Jeffcat]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I'm calling bull[censored]. You'd rather see OSU give up the occassional big play until they start actually giving up the occasional big play.

Average Per Completion...... 5.1 (Illinois)
Average Per Completion...... 20.2 (Ohio State)

Which D gave up "the occasional big play?"

And Minny got so many passing yards because of the deep ball, not the 5 yarder you're so worried about.

which team is clearly the better team in the top 10 now and which is last in the big 10 getting thumped by the 2nd last team in the big 10?

about minny i do have to agree with you there to a degree. they did burn us deep with their height but nonetheless they still ran numerous 7 yard outs where they got the ball and just tip toed out of bounds.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Dryden

Greatest need for improvement....

1. Turnover margin. The defense needs to create turnovers and of all three units I never thought I'd hold my breath with the special teams being TD-or-bust under Jim Tressel. This is a complete 180 from how the 2002 team played.

We are in complete agreement.

2. Second greatest need for improvement is the fan base. How anyone can get on a message board the day after the team thumps a conference opponent by 38 points, scoring on seven consecutive drives ... and complain about the offense is beyond me. 526 total yards and people still find new things to complain about.

Let's see, Illinois gave up more than 120 points in their previous two games and the score is 3 zip at the end of the first quarter... in our stadium... Illinois was one play from taking the lead throughout much of the second quarter (and damn near got it if it hadn't been for a determined tackle by Whittner)... the offense was given the ball no worse than our own 35 four times and we had exactly 3 points to show for it and you think that's going to hold true in Ann Arbor and we're still going to win? There were some things to like yesterday, not the least of which was Smith putting the ball deep several times and just letting Ginn or Holmes try and out run the ball. But the first half running game was less than inspiring.

[Jeffcat]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

We are in complete agreement.

Let's see, Illinois gave up more than 120 points in their previous two games and the score is 3 zip at the end of the first quarter... in our stadium... Illinois was one play form taking the lead throughout much of the second quarter (and damn near got it if it hadn't been for a determined tackle by Whittner)... the offense was given the ball no worse than our own 35 four times and we had exactly 3 points to show for it and you think that's going to hold true in Ann Arbor and we're still going to win? There were some things to like yesterday, not the least of which was Smith putting the ball deep several times and just letting Ginn or Holmes try and out run the ball. But the first half running game was less than inspiring.

yea my thoughts as well. i wasnt really worried about a loss but i was eager to see the backups play. i was a little confused by our inability to run the ball. granted we still had quite a few yards and everything but didnt have any real great holes and we got stuffed quite a few times for minimal gains.

[osugrad21]