Ohio University to play Ohio State in 2008

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Steve19

If you look more closely at rankings, you will see that Ohio State's rankings typically are less than they might be because of the historically lower graduation rates. All large public universities suffer from this and Ohio State was seriously hurt by the state enforced admission criteria back in the 80s. The quality of this year's freshman class is nearly equal to that of any top ranked program.

That gap you point out could be closing between Ohio State and the Ivy League.

One other factor influencing our current graduation rates, and one that I'm quite proud of, is Ohio State's commitment to racial and socio-economic diversity on its campus. Numerous studies have suggested that--even with similar incoming credentials (i.e. test scores, gpa and class rank)--first generation college students, students from lower income groups and/or members of underrepresented minority groups will graduate at lower levels than similarly credentialed students from more privileged backgrounds. In other words, a kid with a 28 ACT from a 35K year family who's the first in his family to go to college will most likely graduate at a slower rate than a kid with a 28 ACT from a 100K year family whose parents both are college graduates.

To illustrate Ohio State's commitment to socio-economic diversity on its campus, here are two recent statistics. Ohio State's 2007 freshman class, despite being the most selective in the state, still had 22.7% first generation students as opposed to a national average of 15.9%. A couple of years ago, Ohio State had 27% of their students coming from families with incomes of 100K or above. This compared with an average of 38% nationally for selective public universities. By comparison, the number for miami of ohio was 55% which even exceeded the average for selective private universities (54%). Is Miami of Ohio's advantage in grad rates really the result of anything special occurring in its classrooms, or is it the result of a student body that rarely faces any financial constraints as well as overwhelmingly being made up of students having the cultural advantage of having grown up in families where the parents are college graduates?

Personally, I'll gladly accept having a graduation rate a few points below Miami of Ohio's in order to have a university that truly acts as an engine of social mobility and advancement for the state, region and nation through a diverse student body as opposed to a student body that looks like that of an overgrown boarding school.

[OZoner]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Don't fool yourself, global rankings are incredibly important.

Again, that's fine. I'm not denying or begrudging you your accolades. But I will say (again) that they do not matter to me personally. The education I'm getting in the classroom is secondary to me than what I'm getting outside of it. The way I've grown culturally and personally is way more important than that and really can't be reflected in any degree. It's been my long-standing belief that it isn't the education that matters but what you do with it. Quite frankly, I feel like I can go up against a graduate of Harvard and beat him out for a position we're both going for. Chances are I won't be ending my education at Ohio University, but it's been one heck of a place to continue it after high school.

I'm happy for Ohio State that it does as well as it does in the rankings. I don't know if it gives a model to follow, but it certainly gives us something to shoot for.

[Kickdown02]

So can we actually discuss the game itself instead of patting each other on the back?

[IronBuckI]

Originally Posted by Kickdown02

So can we actually discuss the game itself instead of patting each other on the back?

We're going to win by eleventy-million. Now, back to patting each other on the back.

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Kickdown02

So can we actually discuss the game itself?

I predict pain, fool.

[Bleed S & G]

Originally Posted by OZoner

I don't really mind the ones that root for the Buckeyes, but really, don't root against your school.

Well, I know I was planning on going to OU after highschool, now i never made it down there for classes and wound up at Ohio State instead.. I can say without a doubt, if I went to OU for class.. and the Buckeyes were playing OU.. I would root for my school which is Ohio State, regaurdless of where I'm enrolled..

Originally Posted by OZoner

The education I'm getting in the classroom is secondary to me than what I'm getting outside of it.

Such as [censored], ass, and booze?

[Kickdown02]

This will be a good game for OSU to get practice against the spread. OU recruited an athletic junior college QB named Boo Jackson - Scout.com: Boo Jackson Profile

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Kickdown02

This will be a good game for OSU to get practice against the spread. OU recruited an athletic junior college QB named Boo Jackson - Scout.com: Boo Jackson Profile

Boo knows...??

[Kickdown02]

Originally Posted by FCollinsBuckeye

Boo knows...??

4 star QB