Ohio University to play Ohio State in 2008

[HailToMichigan]

Originally Posted by ORD_Buckeye

Hail, you stil see the same phenomenon at the Ohio MAC campuses with OU, BG or Miami of Ohio students wearing Ohio State jerseys to their own football games...or blowing the game off entirely in order to watch Ohio State on tv. If you read their message boards, you'll find that it's a never ending source of frustration and anger for the diehards.

I have a few questions though about the directional Michigans.

Do all the students at the directionals constantly say, "well, I got into UM but liked Central better...or Western was better for my major." In other words, all statistical data to the contrary, is it impossible to ever meet a directional student who'll actually admit that he was rejected by UM or even MSU?

Do they have an embittered core of delusional fans who hate everything about Michigan and refuse to give it any credit whatsoever?

Are you a UM alum and if so do you know anything about the institutional relationship between UM (and to a lesser degree MSU) and the directionals? In other words, as academic institutions do the directionals act like the Fredos do in Ohio: refusing to give the flagship U any credit or even acknowledge that it holds an elevated role in the state system? Are the directionals constantly trying to stab UM in the back with the legislature? Has the president of a directional ever said something as ridiculous (in a formal speech no less) as "there's no difference academically between UM and Central/Western/Eastern/Northern?" Do the directionals constantly point to one peripheral, secondary program at their campus that has a national reputation and somehow try to argue that it somehow makes them UM's academic equal on an overall basis?

I don't know anything about the academical relationship between the schools, but I've at least never heard anything like what you say in the last paragraph. Very, very few people would claim that any state school in Michigan holds a candle to U-M or MSU. About the only one that has any notoriety for any reason is Wayne State's law school, which is not half bad. Michigan definitely treats the two power schools (and to some lesser extent, Wayne State) differently than the other state schools in that we vote for the boards of U-M and MSU but not the others. Other differences exist too. But everyone got hit the same in the last budget crunch.

Similar relationship exists in Virginia, (where I went for college) where JMU is said to stand for "Just Missed UVA."

Anecdotally I know this: Nearly everyone I know who ended up going to a directional school (or one of the other state schools like GVSU, SVSU, etc.) also applied to U-M, MSU, or both. It's kind of the unofficial college plan at a lot of state high schools. Most people will admit they tried and failed to get into one of the two. (Either that or they will say they went to Western - "Waste-ern", hur hur - for the party atmosphere.) Eastern tends to be a bit of a commuter school and is left out of the CMU/WMU rivalry besides, and I think people generally would admit they wanted to go to MSU but couldn't, rather than admit that Eastern was their favorite choice.

[Tlangs]

Originally Posted by ORD_Buckeye

Seeing as the first word of the post directs it personally to Hail, my guess is that one of moderate literacy would be able to infer that it is a question to Hail to share his thoughts on UM's relationship with the directionals and how that may or may not compare with OSU's relationship with the Fredos.

thanks for the clarification

I got the impression that you really weren't looking for an anser from Hail, but just using his post as a way to re-state your position about other Ohio Schools with the same ole Fredo-U, President Speeches, secondary program stuff you stated previously.

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Kickdown02

The delusionals have another reason to hate OSU:

Ohio's Carlston Resigns as Head Volleyball Coach :: Carlston to take OSU position

And hilarity ensues. Five pages and counting; all over a women's volleyball coach. Christ, at least that overgrown prep school in Oxford hangs their hopes and dreams on hockey...but women's volleyball Some of the highlights...

I think I'll just go to some tOSUck matches and stand silently in the corner with my Ohio Volleyball shirt.

I'm sad.

Coach, if you're reading...We love you in Athens and obviously hope you stay. But as with any career, we understand if you want to advance your career to a "bigger" school with a bigger budget and bigger salary. But please for the love of God don't go to Ohio State.

Total agreement. He leaves us for those clowns and he is dead to me.

I think that makes me even more angry. �Ohio State's arrogance and ineptitude still worked out for them, and they poke us in the eye besides. �Unbelieveable. �They can't do anything wrong.

If a meteor wiped out the jr. institution in columbus, I would yawn.

We spend years building a program from scratch into a national contender, only to have it placed in jeopardy by the Evil Empire's checkbook... and we're supposed to be okay with that? **** that!!!

[MUBuck]

Originally Posted by ORD_Buckeye

Christ, at least that overgrown prep school in Oxford hangs their hopes and dreams on hockey...

Or OSU football.

[VprHis]

Coach, if you're reading...We love you in Athens and obviously hope you stay. But as with any career, we understand if you want to advance your career to a "bigger" school with a bigger budget and bigger salary. But please for the love of God don't go to Ohio State.

Can anyone explain the quotation marks around "bigger"?

Last time I checked, we're bigger in just about every way....

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by MUBuck

Or OSU football.

You're alright, Redskin.

[7Brutus7]

Do the directionals constantly point to one peripheral, secondary program at their campus that has a national reputation and somehow try to argue that it somehow makes them UM's academic equal on an overall basis?

Ya know some of us actually exerted alot of effort into getting accepted into one of those "secondary" programs and are [censored]ing proud of it so I would chill out a bit. I love Ohio State football and the university in general, I've got alot of friends who are going to Columbus next year and I'll probably spend alot of time there. However, I'm also looking forward to donning the green and white and supporting the Bobcats next year (I think I might work some combo of Ted Ginn jersey and OU cap for the game in the fall). But just because OU may not be the biggest university in North America and compete for national championships in multiple sports year in and year out does not mean that you can take away from the kids and alumni down in Athens and the experiences that have tied them so passionately to the school and sports team that they support.

[powerlifter]

Originally Posted by 7Brutus7

Ya know some of us actually exerted alot of effort into getting accepted into one of those "secondary" programs and are [censored]ing proud of it so I would chill out a bit. I love Ohio State football and the university in general, I've got alot of friends who are going to Columbus next year and I'll probably spend alot of time there. However, I'm also looking forward to donning the green and white and supporting the Bobcats next year (I think I might work some combo of Ted Ginn jersey and OU cap for the game in the fall). But just because OU may not be the biggest university in North America and compete for national championships in multiple sports year in and year out does not mean that you can take away from the kids and alumni down in Athens and the experiences that have tied them so passionately to the school and sports team that they support.

Very nice! I have a few friends in athens and know quite a few alum. It's a cool place to catch a football game on a saturday afternoon..