Buckeyes keep giving Mandel ammo

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by StadiumDorm

I've read it twice now, and it's still the same. The guy is basically arguing that Hamby's play was the biggest factor in the BCS working out the way it did.

That is not what he's saying. He's saying that the BCS was very close to having a real mess on their hands, and used the Hamby non-catch as an example, familiar to him as a Buckeye fan. But, for sake of argument, let's just say that his statement indeed was that Hamby's drop was the single biggest factor on having only two undefeated teams...he's not really wrong, and he's still not whining about Ohio State not wining the but rather pointing out how close the BCS system was from not having their "perfect" two-no-loss-teams scenario.

Mandel deftly spins a comment from a Buckeye fan which implied that Hamby's drop costed Ohio State the Texas game into a tirade about how it the play didn't necessarily mean that much, rather than focusing on the actual issue of the BCS lucking out with having two undefeateds.

[JXC]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

That is not what he's saying. He's saying that the BCS was very close to having a real mess on their hands, and used the Hamby non-catch as an example, familiar to him as a Buckeye fan. But, for sake of argument, let's just say that his statement indeed was that Hamby's drop was the single biggest factor on having only two undefeated teams...he's not really wrong, and he's still not whining about Ohio State not wining the but rather pointing out how close the BCS system was from not having their "perfect" two-no-loss-teams scenario.

Mandel deftly spins a comment from a Buckeye fan which implied that Hamby's drop costed Ohio State the Texas game into a tirade about how it the play didn't necessarily mean that much, rather than focusing on the actual issue of the BCS lucking out with having two undefeateds.

I don't think so...

Why bring up Hamby? Why not bring of Huston, or Zwick, or Smith, or even Tressel. Or how about our almost saftey on the kickoff? Or how about the pooch kick and personal foul at the end of the 1st half.

Any year there are 2 undefeateds...then you could say this. Look at 2002...how close was Ohio State to losing games? If it weren't for Chris Gamble, or Krenzel to Jenkins, or 4 goal-line stops against Cincy...then there would have been a mess. When the BCS does work...it is ALWAYS going to be one play away from not working.

If that's the point the emailer was trying to get at, he should have said it...without beating a dead horse with Ryan Hamby. Personally i'm sick and tired of hearing about it. Hamby dropped a pass. BIG DEAL. Everybody has dropped a pass before...it wasn't like it was the ONLY chance we had to win.

Fact is...BCS is really flawed. It only works when everything falls into place...we need something that ALWAYS works...a playoff.

[BayBuck]

Is anybody else tired of posters ripping on the OSU fanbase at-large every time they read an article inspired by a Buckeye email? Just because Mandel and Dodd and all the ESPN idiots get deluged by Buckeye fans on a regular basis does not automatically mean we are simply the most reactive fans out there--to me, it just reflects the fact that we have more fans than anyone else, many of whom respond when provoked at different times.

It's not like it's the same 5 fans bombarding these online writers every time: they get hundreds of responses from among our millions of fellow fans, and it's the writers who select which ones will make us sound stupider or crazier than the majority of us obviously are. Threads like this one are not making any difference in the big picture, as obviously BP only reaches a fraction of the fanbase, but they are perpetuating the myth that writers like Mandel happily created.

[OilerBuck]

Mandel spins the e-mail to fit his column and to basically give Hamby a well deserved break. Yet we've managed to spin this article around ourselves and make it into a Buckeye bashing session.

As much as I have criticized Mandel in the past, he voiced a lot of my same thoughts about Ryan dropping that pass. Each play in a game is a fork in the road. If you go down one path, the scenery is completely different for the rest of the trip. You can't pick and choose a play here or there and assume the rest to stay constant. Ryan Hamby had an unfortunate and very memorable mistake...the rest of our team made many other mistakes that followed. Texas won. I agree that this artcile came out of nowhere, but it should have been said long ago. Sometimes, as fans, we need to grow up.

In my opinion, the e-mailer made a good point about what a potential mess the BCS could've been (imagine if we beat Texas AND Notre Dame beats USC?). It's a shame that it couldn't have been answered in the way it was meant to be.

I just don't see the fuss over this article.

[OilerBuck]

With all due respect, a fanbase doesn't get a reputation without reason.

Very few of any program's intelligent fans waste their time e-mailing a columnist because they understand how pointless it is. We give there perceptions power ONLY when we react.

Why are all Buckeye fans considered over-reacting, arrogant, conspiracy theorists?

Read the bold.

Originally Posted by BayBuck

Is anybody else tired of posters ripping on the OSU fanbase at-large every time they read an article inspired by a Buckeye email? Just because Mandel and Dodd and all the ESPN idiots get deluged by Buckeye fans on a regular basis does not automatically mean we are simply the most reactive fans out there--to me, it just reflects the fact that we have more fans than anyone else, many of whom respond when provoked at different times.

It's not like it's the same 5 fans bombarding these online writers every time: they get hundreds of responses from among our millions of fellow fans, and it's the writers who select which ones will make us sound stupider or crazier than the majority of us obviously are. Threads like this one are not making any difference in the big picture, as obviously BP only reaches a fraction of the fanbase, but they are perpetuating the myth that writers like Mandel happily created.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by OilerBuck

Mandel spins the e-mail to fit his column and to basically give Hamby a well deserved break. Yet we've managed to spin this article around ourselves and make it into a Buckeye bashing session.

As much as I have criticized Mandel in the past, he voiced a lot of my same thoughts about Ryan dropping that pass. Each play in a game is a fork in the road. If you go down one path, the scenery is completely different for the rest of the trip. You can't pick and choose a play here or there and assume the rest to stay constant. Ryan Hamby had an unfortunate and very memorable mistake...the rest of our team made many other mistakes that followed. Texas won. I agree that this artcile came out of nowhere, but it should have been said long ago. Sometimes, as fans, we need to grow up.

In my opinion, the e-mailer made a good point about what a potential mess the BCS could've been (imagine if we beat Texas AND Notre Dame beats USC?). It's a shame that it couldn't have been answered in the way it was meant to be.

I just don't see the fuss over this article.

Great post.

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by OilerBuck

I agree that this artcile came out of nowhere, but it should have been said long ago. Sometimes, as fans, we need to grow up.

In my opinion, the e-mailer made a good point about what a potential mess the BCS could've been (imagine if we beat Texas AND Notre Dame beats USC?). It's a shame that it couldn't have been answered in the way it was meant to be.

I just don't see the fuss over this article.

this article falls under the beating a dead horse for ratings category.

Stewart Mandel's Mailbag: Give Hamby a break (12/28/2005)
Stewart Mandel: Message to Ohio: my picks educated, not personal (11/22/2005)