Jim Tressel (official thread)

[redskinbucksfan]

Originally Posted by matcar

I love JT as much as anybody, but I do find some irony that JT is 1) heavily involved in QB operations/development and 2) is almost as heavily involved in the offensive gameplan. He leaves the defensive side to Heacock. And when you look at tOSU's success during Tressel's tenure, the strong points of the team have been the defense and special teams, NOT the offense (with the exception of 2006). I'll grant you that JTs style of offense "helps" the defense to a degree, but still, the strength is usually the side he's NOT heavily involved in. Curious no?

Joe Tiller, is that you?

[BB73]

Originally Posted by mooktarr

Here is an idea. Those of you who think that you can coach better than JT, or presume that you can tell him what he is doing wrong go to Columbus and get hired as a coach.

The vast majority of posters here are thrilled that JT is the head coach. However, that doesn't mean that he is immune to having his decisions and strategies discussed and critiqued.

But those who wish do so should realize that their comments should be thoughtful and reasonable, or they'll quickly get ridiculed.

This is not a smack board, but it doesn't tolerate foolishness.

Personally, I think the discussion of JT's playcalling when the score was 24-0 is a reasonable topic. When it was 17-0 in the third quarter, I said out loud "One more TD and then we'll see Tresselball the rest of the way." I was surprised that tOSU was still throwing frequently after that, when running the ball and punting would have seemed the surest way to seal the victory, and it would have been consistent with JT's playcalling in the past. Perhaps the offensive penalties dictated some of the pass plays being called. Hopefully it was a learning experience for Boeckman and the O-line (who otherwise played great).

[matcar]

Originally Posted by sandgk

Then just stick to opinion instead of name-calling.

It isn't as if you and those on the other side of the argument are that far apart.
You claim the great defense shows JT can recognize and hire in the right kind of staff who put in the best schemes for their defensive players. Also that JT is not involved on D, because he makes a joke about it in a press conference.
The others are saying that, self-deprecating humor aside, JT is probably more involved in areas other than just QB / Offense than he lets on.

It isn't as if either of the sides here are insulting JT's manhood or acumen.

I'm taking JT at face value when he says he's not very involved in the defense. It isn't just the one quote, he's been very upfront for years that he sticks around the offensive side and those who have watched practice has stated much the same thing. If you know otherwise, then OK, but that's not what those close to the program have stated.

[wdg01]

Originally Posted by matcar

Right, and I could pull up figures for several other teams that average significantly more points than we do against the same opponents. So your stats are meaningless. As I have said before, I I don't think that JT is a lousy coach either on offense, but 25 pts per game isn't what several others average. His approach is different, but there's no arguing that tOSU is frequently #1 or #2 in the B10 in total D and middle of the pack in total O. Hence the comment of curiosity which prompts you to defend him as if he's even being attached. Please...

Well I decided to look at the offensive numbers..

From 2002-2006 we averaged 28.175 Points per game in Big Ten Play...2 teams did better...scUM at 29.25 and Minnesota at 28.675.

If you look from 2005 till now (2 1/2 seasons)...we have by far the most points per game in conference play with 35.9 ppg (we are 2nd this year with 33.75 ppg). The closest team to us over that timespan is Wisconsin at 28.9...7 points away. I don't know how anyone is going to complain about our offense. JT is by far a better offensive coach then he gets credit for.

[matcar]

Originally Posted by wdg01

Well I decided to look at the offensive numbers..

From 2002-2006 we averaged 28.175 Points per game in Big Ten Play...2 teams did better...scUM at 29.25 and Minnesota at 28.675.

If you look from 2005 till now (2 1/2 seasons)...we have by far the most points per game in conference play with 35.9 ppg (we are leading this year with 33.75 ppg). The closest team to us over that timespan is Wisconsin at 28.9...7 points away. I don't know how anyone is going to complain about our offense. JT is by far a better offensive coach then he gets credit for.

First, no one is "complaining" about the offense, and that's what so absurd about this "argument". The only thing noted is that defense has been our strong suit under JT (that's no an indictment of the offense, just a truism.)

Next, this is what I posted to mook in a PM and was trying to avoid posting here. It shows the trend (broken in 2006, but back in 2007) where we are always near the top of the conference in total D, but mid-pack in total Offense. Once again, this is not an indictment of the offense...just a look at where our relative strength lies.

I don't have access to 2002 or 2003 at the moment, but they are similar to 2004, 2005, & 2007.

2004
Scoring offense rank: 7 Scoring defense rank: 5
Total offense rank: 8 Total defense rank: 4

2005
Scoring offense rank: 5 Scoring defense rank: 1
Total offense rank: 6 Total defense rank: 1

2006
Scoring offense rank: 1 Scoring defense rank: 2
Total offense rank: 2 Total defense rank: 3
2007
Scoring offense rank: 4 Scoring defense rank: 1
Total offense rank: 6 Total defense rank: 1

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Dryden

Most shockingly, JT is the only coach since Woody to maintain the offensive scoring average against Michigan in the last game of the year, though the defense is apt to surrender a TD over their average. Both Earle Bruce's and John Cooper's teams were ~11.5 points worse against Michigan on offense versus their career averages while at OSU.

I was actually thinking somewhat along this lines earlier this morning, more specifically on how consistent we've been at the Pig House under Tressel: 26 points (2001), 21 points (2003), and 25 points (2005) for an average of exactly 24 points per game there. For Bruce and Cooper:

Bruce: 18 (1979), 14 (1981), 21 (1983), 17 (1985), 23 (1987) for an average of 18.6 points per game
Cooper: 18 (1989), 3 (1991), 0 (1993), 23 (1995), 14 (1997), 17 (1999) for an average of 12.5 points per game

[wdg01]

I guess you can look at it 2 ways...

In conference games...
2002 Scoring offense rank: 9
2003 Scoring offense rank: 7
2004 Scoring offense rank: 6
2005 Scoring offense rank: 2 (Penn St. was first)
2006 Scoring offense rank: 1
2007 Scoring offense rank: 2 (through 4 games, scUM St is currently first)

I missed scUM St. in my earlier post...they are the only ones averaging more ppg in Big 10 play than we are this year.