Jim Tressel (official thread)

[muffler dragon]

Originally Posted by BB73

You guys need to agree to disagree on this, and just move on. This urination contest has provided enough pollution in this thread.

The reason I didn't split off this stuff earlier (when you asked for it in the thread) is that folks need to back up their comments.

BB:

My apologies for delving into said contest. Anyway... please feel free to remove my posts if you find it necessary. I'm done with that topic.

[matcar]

Originally Posted by muffler dragon

This was the first post you made about this topic:



I stated back then and I re-state that this is NOT curious. I should have included at that point in time that your premise is horse-[censored]. Averaging over 25 points a game IS a strong point of this OSU team, and averaging over 25 points a game does MORE than help the defense "to a degree".



You're laughable (at best).



Here's the pertinent parts of your post:



Your own words in post #651 counter the position you're trying to take now. You reduced the offense to being a non-factor with regards to the defense in your first post. Now, you're back-tracking, because you've been shown your error. But instead of manning-up and admitting you're wrong, you decide to continue to fling the fallacies.

As for your data:



Scoring offense rank averages at 4.25 in the four years you have above. This places the offense in the top 40%. Even from your own data, one can see that the Offense does more than to "help the defense to a degree".



I believe that your (original) position has ONCE AGAIN been shown to be lacking.

Here's the deal: feel free to have the last word. You seem like the sort that needs to have that for some sort of "face saving value". You'll get no more responses from me, and don't send me any more ranting PMs.

The last word is this: if the defensive statistics suggest we are the top in the conference, and the offensive statistics are significantly lower (not bad, just lower), then that makes it obvious that the defense is the relative strength of the tOSU teams since 2001. You can state all you want that 25 points per game is good (and I would agree), and we could agree that JT has raised the overall standard at tOSU. But, that doesn't change the simple fact that the defense, has, on balance been the strength of our teams. Anyone watching 2001-2007 would be hard pressed to disagree with the obvious exception of last year.

I found that curious in light of JTs obvious affinity for the offensive side of the ball, as did the PMs I received about it. And I would have enjoyed some discussion about the potential reasons for that, but ultimately ended up in a silly p-match because this obvious truth had to be disputed under the notion that I was attacking JT or the coaching staff or that I was suggesting that the offense was poor. That was never implied, but somehow the conversation was steered there. And you'll note that in other posts I actually engaged in some interesting discussion about this and some nuances that are seen when looking at conference games. There was nothing for me to "man-up" over because my statement from the very beginning is every bit as valid and the statistics I provided bear that out.

[Nordberg]

I searched for this topic, so sorry if this has already been brought up. I have been voting for Tress for a couple of days now, and I think he needs more help for coach of the year. Please vote at Coach of The Year I don't know what the prize is, but you can only vote once per day. Some how people think that Stoops is the coach of the year. But I don't see how a team with one loss can be. After the coaching job Tress has done this year (and every year) after loosing 95% of last years offensive production, I believe he deserves it.

[muffler dragon]

Originally Posted by Nordberg

I searched for this topic, so sorry if this has already been brought up. I have been voting for Tress for a couple of days now, and I think he needs more help for coach of the year. Please vote at Coach of The Year I don't know what the prize is, but you can only vote once per day. Some how people think that Stoops is the coach of the year. But I don't see how a team with one loss can be. After the coaching job Tress has done this year (and every year) after loosing 95% of last years offensive production, I believe he deserves it.

Thanks for the link. Voted.

[lvbuckeye]

Originally Posted by matcar

I did substantiate my claim when I posted the team offense and defense statistics and our rating. Perhaps you missed it while you were spewing more fanboy posts. Read the stats regarding from 2004-2007 and you'll see what I was referring to. Or don't, and live in ignorance. Your choice. The facts of that post bear out EXACTLY my original premise. Namely, that our defense is our relative strength while JT is primarily focused on the offense. Nowhere in there is there an assisination of JT as an offensive mind or derogitory comments about the offense. Merely that the D is our RELATIVE strength.

let's do this: take '04 out of the equation, and just use '05-'07 to support your claim.

hint: we're averaging 34 (33.81) points per game over the last 33 games.

[BrutusBobcat]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

let's do this: take '04 out of the equation, and just use '05-'07 to support your claim.

hint: we're averaging 34 (33.84) points per game over the last 33 games.

All you're proving is that you're a fanboi!!!1111!11! lolzercoprtzz!!!!11!!

[lvbuckeye]

oh crap! i am a fanboi!!!eleventy!1

*dings self*

[muffler dragon]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

oh crap! i am a fanboi!!!eleventy!1

*dings self*

Wanna start a singing group or a show on TLC?