Since 1951, Woodys 1st year....

[ktffan]

Originally Posted by Dryden

The NCAA's official record for Oklahoma is 8-4, same as Stassen, due to OU forfeit three games after players were ruled ineligible. Oklahoma lists their own 1972 record as 11-1.

Source?

Compare stassen's all-time record against the NCAA's. You'll find the same error.

[3yardsandacloud]

Originally Posted by ktffan

The NCAA didn't sanction those forfeits and Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma State do not acknowledged them. Why should anybody else?

You guys crack me up with your "independent database" and "objective" stuff. Where do you think the independent database get's their information from, not to mention the press and the NCAA? It all comes from Oklahoma. Only Oklahoma doesn't have the mistakes in theirs.

Well, I only pointed out those years (1996 & 1972) as they seem to clear up the 'mystery' of the win-loss totals. No need to get defensive.

In 1996, Stassen credits Oklahoma for a 4-7-0 (originally 3-8-0) season because Texas Tech having to forfeit games due to the use of ineligible players.

In 1972, Oklahoma was credited with an 8-4-0 season (originally 11-1-0) after it forfeited 3 games (Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma State) for using an ineligible player.

So ends the 467-150-12 vs 465- 152-12 mystery.

So here's the real question. What does the Oklahoma media guide list as the yearly record for 1996? That question might answer which data is most believable and unbiased.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by ktffan

Compare stassen's all-time record against the NCAA's. You'll find the same error.

That's what I'm doing right now via Google.

There is also a notation in the Penn State media guide that Oklahoma was supposed to have forfeited the 1972 Sugar Bowl too but Joe Paterno and the PSU administration declined to accept the win.

[strohs]

Originally Posted by Dryden

There is also a notation in the Penn State media guide that Oklahoma was supposed to have forfeited the 1972 Sugar Bowl too but Joe Paterno and the PSU administration declined to accept the win.

Interesting, big props to Joe Pa on that one, IMO.

[ktffan]

Originally Posted by 3yardsandacloud

Well, I only pointed out those years (1996 & 1972) as they seem to clear up the 'mystery' of the win-loss totals. No need to get defensive.

In 1996, Stassen credits Oklahoma for a 4-7-0 (originally 3-8-0) season because Texas Tech having to forfeit games due to the use of ineligible players.

In 1972, Oklahoma was credited with an 8-4-0 season (originally 11-1-0) after it forfeited 3 games (Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma State) for using an ineligible player.

So ends the 467-150-12 vs 465- 152-12 mystery.

So here's the real question. What does the Oklahoma media guide list as the yearly record for 1996? That question might answer which data is most believable and unbiased.

My fault. I do get testy sometimes when I have 5 guys gang up on me.

No, Texas Tech never forfeited a football game. They got into all sorts of NCAA trouble over multiple sports, and one of the conditions was that they forfeit all the games in which an illegal player played. They never forfeited a game, the NCAA never pushed them to, all their wins are still factually intact.

Oklahoma's 72 forfeits were sanctioned by the Big 8. While they had to forfeit the conference games, the did not forfeit the games themselves. Officially, they were 11-1 with a 3-4 conference record. While that might not seem to makes sense, it's the fact of the matter. Interesting, Oklahoma is even pushing away from the conference forfeits in their 2005 media guide. I guess since the Big 8 no longer exists to push them around...

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by ktffan

The NCAA didn't sanction those forfeits and Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma State do not acknowledged them. Why should anybody else?

The media guides for Missouri and Kansas appear to support this. Their own athletics departments acknowledge these games as losses, their W/L records are different from what appear at Stassen.

[3yardsandacloud]

Originally Posted by ktffan

No, Texas Tech never forfeited a football game. They got into all sorts of NCAA trouble over multiple sports, and one of the conditions was that they forfeit all the games in which an illegal player played. They never forfeited a game, the NCAA never pushed them to, all their wins are still factually intact.

Makes sense. Here's Stassen's exact quote on the game in question: 1996 was 3-8, but Texas Tech probably forfeited their win due to use of 7 ineligible players (for the entire season).

Seems they are unsure how the 1996 game outcome was finally ruled.

As you can see the recording of statistic (even ones as simple as game scores) isn't an exact science. There are multiple games from multiple schools (mostly from the early years of CFB) who's outcomes are still contested. Even reported differently in each school's media guide and gameday programs. That's why we (generally speaking) at BuckeyePlanet prefer to use a source not related to the school itself. It may not eliminate all questions of bias, but it helps.

[ktffan]

Originally Posted by Dryden

The media guides for Missouri and Kansas appear to support this. Their own athletics departments acknowledge these games as losses, their W/L records are different from what appear at Stassen.

Did you notice the conference record Kansas gives? An overall record of 4-7, with a 3-4 conference record. They beat Wyoming, Minnesota, Okahoma State and Missouri. Officially, the game against Oklahoma is a loss, but a conference win. Confusing stuff, but that's the factualy information, 4-7 with a 3-4 Big Eight record.