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[ktffan]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

well that's peachy, I have no interest in your squabble with mili.

The point is the NCAA calls OSU a consensus champion and we are nothing of the sort.

They were consensus champions in the polls in which the NCAA take as the official word. This is why Ohio State counts them as well.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by ktffan

I don't argue if it's a good system or not, all I'm telling you is that's what is offcial. All these ad hoc sites are using the same sources, only when you enter all that information by hand, you tend to make mistakes and it comes out less accurately. Good or not, I don't care, right or not, I don't care. That's what's official and that's what the NCAA and new organizations use. I don't see the point in pretending something else is "actually" the truth.

But, the super human attention to detail NCAA.. no mistakes there. Well played.

[3yardsandacloud]

Originally Posted by ktffan

I don't argue if it's a good system or not, all I'm telling you is that's what is offcial. All these ad hoc sites are using the same sources, only when you enter all that information by hand, you tend to make mistakes and it comes out less accurately.

Again, not correct. Please check your information.

Oh, and please don't play the game of misrepresenting "truth" and "official", you've contradicted yourself in the same post. Either you are interested in the truth or in what's official ... choose.

[ktffan]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

So, you conclude that Stassen is making mistakes, but not the NCAA data people? Are you serious here? We've already determined that the NCAA has not been historically interested in official stats (Google to determine when they started keeping "official" stats has not revealed an answer for me yet) If the President recognizes 1 + 1 as being equal to 12 do we just assume it's Official and thus authoritive and correct?

The NCAA makes mistakes. In comparing the two sources, I've found the NCAA to make far less mistakes. However, there are none in the 5 teams listed. Stassen has no "mistakes" on those either, he just has a different opinion than the NCAA.

I don't take the Stassen site as Gospel, I take it as valid and reliable, and I find it easy to use. You, my friend, seem to take the NCAA site as Gospel, with no real reason of why... your argument - "The President says so"

The NCAA is the official word. That's what everyone who counts will use. It's pointless to pretend I know better than the NCAA.

You say it's "Stassen's Opinion" What the [censored]? Do we agree that the NCAA did not exist in 1903?

Stassen and the NCAA agree prior to 1903. At issue here are "forfeits" which the NCAA does not see fit to count, where Stassen does. It's a matter of opinion.

Do you see how the NCAA isn't recognizing anything? What they're doing is listing a list of who's been recognized BY OTHER SOURCES

In their 1992, book the NCAA compile a list of national champions by coaches. Using that list, they gave their criteria for what counted and what didn't. That seems a recognition to me. Also, their list of "consensus champions", is their list of "recognized" titles.

Umm... no... Find me a list of NCAA champions. Any list that says "The NCAA determined that Michigan was the 1901 Champion"

In their 1992 book, the NCAA credited Fielding Yost as a champion for 1901. That's what I'm talking about.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by ktffan

I know what the word consensus means. Let's review what was said.

1. I said the NCAA called Ohio State a consensus champion. That is a fact.

2. You said I didn't know what I was talking about because, you assured me, that the NCAA would do no such thing.

3. I showed exactly where the NCAA called Ohio State a consensus champion.

4. You get rude because you were shown to be wrong.

What I said and what you claimed was wrong what that the NCAA calls Ohio State a consensus champion and that is a fact.

My point is that you're wrong in saying that we're consensus champions in '61 and '70 because we aren't, regardless of what the NCAA has in their book. I only get "rude" when morons can't grasp a simple concept or are too stubborn to admit defeat. I'm not the wrong who's wrong here...we are NOT the "consensus" national champions of '61 or '70, period.

[ktffan]

Originally Posted by 3yardsandacloud

Again, not correct. Please check your information.

What's not correct, that you make mistakes transfering information? Give me a break.

[ktffan]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

My point is that you're wrong is saying that we're consensus champions in '61 and '70 because we aren't

I never said the Ohio State were the consensus champions. I said the NCAA lists them among their consensus champions, which is an easily verifiable fact. You then decided to claim it could not be so and be a jackass abou it.