Are football players courageous?

[StooGrimson]

Originally Posted by Steve19

So, no one is saying that football players are always courageous. No one is saying that they are courageous simply because they play the game.

Actually someone did make that exact arguement:

I think the simple act of competing in something 100% and opening up yourself to the chance fo defeat/failure is courageous.

I see no problem comparing someone who faces potential injury on the job with athletes and it's b/c of that comparison that I believe it doesn't take any courage to be a football player. There are moments in any sporting event that require determination, but I don't equate that to courage.

[bleed_scrlt&gry]

two words.... Pat Tillman

[CausticMick]

Originally Posted by bleed_scrlt&gry

two words.... Pat Tillman

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Stoo, I think we're all getting tired of the ad hominen remarks.

This thread focused on a specific question. Could football players show courage and passion in the game. Tibor thinks not and makes an extreme number of unhelpful comments about others who disagree with him.

However, we are still waiting on Tibor to justify his point of view. That is, to argue its merits without the trash talk or building straw men (i.e., inaccurately construing the arguments made by others in order to easily knock these down).

So, no one is saying that football players are always courageous. No one is saying that they are courageous simply because they play the game.

Uh, we're still waiting Tibs...

They could show courage if they saved the life of somebody.

A plumber could show courage by saving a baby from a building that happens to be burning when he's there to work on the pipes.

But nobody would be stupid enough save you to actually say "Plumbers can be courageous."

Well of course anybody could be courageous on any day if the situation calls for it. But are football players special? Only a dumbass would say so and be so stupid as to think a player who gets injured shows "PASSION AND COURAGE. WHOPEEE!!!!"
So to summarize anybody who thinks that Buckeye football is about courage is just being stupid and has no perspective on life.

[Steve19]

Well, Tibs, I guess I am the eternal optimist in guessing that maybe, sometime, you will be able to discuss a point of view with attacking others or making disparaging remarks...I won't respond in kind and quite frankly I think you have done a fine job of demonstrating your skill and wit in public debate.

I return again to the scenario that I left for you nearly a week ago and to which you refuse to reply because the argument so clearly and logically disproves argument that you have advanced.

Again, the definition of courage is as follows,

Courage is the "state or quality of mind or spirit that enables one to face danger, fear, or vicissitudes with self-possession, confidence, and resolution; bravery

Again, you draw straw men by pointing out context. Is it not possible that a football player might continue to play, despite fear that continuing would cause an injury that might be very painful and perhaps career limiting. It a player did play in that circumstance by definition he would be courageous.

It doesn't matter if the individual saves someone's life. And there are degrees of courage. All that matters for courage to be shown is that a person confronts their fear and acts in a way that overcomes it. By definition, then a person playing football can act courageously while on the field, in dealing with injury afterwards, and in other aspects of the game.

By definition.

Tibs, you will note that I have not insulted you, called your intelligence into question, or otherwise attacked you as a person.

I hope you might find a lesson in there somewhere.

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Again, you draw straw men by pointing out context. Is it not possible that a football player might continue to play, despite fear that continuing would cause an injury that might be very painful and perhaps career limiting. It a player did play in that circumstance by definition he would be courageous. .

Who cares? Painful injury? career limiting? Big [censored]ing deal. that's why they play the game. If they are scared of those things, they should get off the field.
You can't be called courageous for doing things that you only have yourself to blame.
By the same token, I wouldn't call any mountain climbers really that courageous. Maybe borderline stupid.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Thump

But you live in Hawaii, that's like $15,000 a year in Ohio.

Actually, the cost of living is quite bearable if you have military benefits (commissary, exchange, medical). With those, the only real major differences in cost between here and most of the mainland are housing and gasoline. And since I don't have to pay for home heating at all, that more than makes up for the difference in gasoline cost.

Originally Posted by Thump

Well at least he's had one less divorce.

Give it time...