Leaf Helmet Stickers (Green or Black?)

[LoKyBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Steve19

What if they're green AND black?

THAT'S IT!

they're grack, a green and black hybrid... end of story.

[BuckeyeNation27]

the ones I have are green, the ones from jwins post are green, they are officially green on the website, a current player said they were hunter green if you look up close.

or we have 1 guy who used to play who says they are black.

I'm sure it's not the 1 guy who is wrong here, it's those other crackpot sources like OSU's website and actual color readings who are wrong.

[3yardsandacloud]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

I finally got photoshop installed again (reformatted), so I could test the color value of the sunlit leaves.

1) Your hawk image opens as a RGB image, not a CMYK image.

2) the sunlight reflection off of the helmet will wash out the surrounding colors.

- I took four samples with the eyedropper, the black stripe, a shaded leaf, a sunlit leaf, and the hunter green swatch I posted on the last page.

- rather than judge tiny little strings of color, I made large blocks of the four eyedrop color samples.

See the attachment, and it looks awfully hunter green to me. The stripes are not similar to the green leavs at all, unless the only frame of reference is the leaf in the shade, which is a bad example.

Umm, that's just silly. First we are using a CMYK color space because it includes Black as a component. This makes it easier to understand for anyone following the discussion. With color space conversion it doesn't matter too much which space we use to describe the color ... why not the one that most easily demonstrates the relationship?

You mention how the sunlight will affect surrounding colors, then you compare a brightly light leaf to the stripe in the shadows. You need to compare to similarly lit portions of the stripe. You will find the color closely matches ... which supports the suggestion that the leaf matches the stripe. Sooooooo, if the strip is black ... then the leaf is ...?

Hunter Green? Are you kidding? The label/name someone puts on a color means nothing. Different companies use different labels/terms/names for identical colors or the same name for different colors. You happen to use a swatch from a paint company. It means nothing at all. The labels are almost assuridly printed, which would use ink, not paint. Printing would use the PMS (insert joke here) swatch book for spot colors or 4 color process (CMYK). This is another reason to use the CMYK color space and not RGB. The inclusion of "Hunter Green" and some associated "Swatch" simply muddies this debate.

To be blunt, the samples posted aren't very good for determining the color match between the leaf and the stripe. The ones from coachtressel.com are excellent and (if that helmet is a true 'game used' variety) there is little doubt the leaf is black. One point that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the stripe and the leaf don't necessarily have to be the same 'black'. In fact, even if both colors are indeed considered 'black', they are almost assuridly different shades/types of 'black' derived from different printing processes and/or vinyl material. But that's another discussion.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Again, we'll see on/after Nov18th...

[Thump]

Here's a simple solution, since Mili hangs out with Terna all of the time, why doesn't Scott just bring his helmet with him one night to show Mili, that way this whole asinine discussion would end.

[3yardsandacloud]

Originally Posted by Thump

Here's a simple solution, since Mili hangs out with Terna all of the time, why doesn't Scott just bring his helmet with him one night to show Mili, that way this whole asinine discussion would end.

EXCELLENT IDEA!

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by Thump

Here's a simple solution, since Mili hangs out with Terna all of the time, why doesn't Scott just bring his helmet with him one night to show Mili, that way this whole asinine discussion would end.

because that would only prove what color mili sees on terna's helmet. they are probably printed up in both green and black. the ones I bought last year for the texas game are green, the ones my brother has on his computer monitor from the 02 season are black.

[fourteenandoh]

why is everyone so intent on looking at pictures? when the light is not perfect dark green looks black. two people on this thread (I am one of them) have spoken to players who own authentic game worn helmets that they say have dark green buckeyes on them. that's the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned. you guys have fun with your color meters.

[buckeyefool]

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

why is everyone so intent on looking at pictures? when the light is not perfect dark green looks black. two people on this thread (I am one of them) have spoken to players who own authentic game worn helmets that they say have dark green buckeyes on them. that's the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned. you guys have fun with your color meters.

And you also have a former player who says they are black......

[fourteenandoh]

when did the former player play?

[Thump]

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

when did the former player play?

Mid 90's.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

when did the former player play?

hawaiianbuckeye/HAYN is Scott Terna. Punter for OSU in the early 90s. Pinned UM at the 1 with a 53 yarder in '94 that set up a safety and jump started the win over UM.

[3yardsandacloud]

It should also be mentioned that he (Scott Terna) is on the sidelines as a photographer for many of the current Buckeye games. Many (if not all) of the game photos you have seen in this thread are his.

[hawaiianbuckeye]

Originally Posted by Thump

Here's a simple solution, since Mili hangs out with Terna all of the time, why doesn't Scott just bring his helmet with him one night to show Mili, that way this whole asinine discussion would end.

Um, I did that a long time ago when this discussion was "born". This is what Mili said after showing him a Buckeye Leaf from my helmet, "yeah the one you have is BLACK!"

Until someone SHOWS me (not tell me) othewise, I'm still saying they're BLACK.



HAYN

[hawaiianbuckeye]

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

why is everyone so intent on looking at pictures? when the light is not perfect dark green looks black. two people on this thread (I am one of them) have spoken to players who own authentic game worn helmets that they say have dark green buckeyes on them. that's the end of the argument as far as I'm concerned. you guys have fun with your color meters.

You're right pictures are not the best source, hence Mili is waiting till I get him up close to a helmet in the locker room next season. But I'll be able to inspect one before that. Mine are BLACK and always have been. If your player buddies say they're dark green, I'll have to see it for myself first b/c that would be another "uniform" change that has been made and undetected. Until then, THEY'RE BLACK!



HAYN