Best/Worst current CFB coaches (CFN, SI)

[stxbuck]

I'm totally bored w/ the discussions on the football board now, so I will throw this out-give you Top 5 college coaches-game strategy, recruiting, the whole package. I am talking current status, so Joe Pa and Burger King Bobby are off the list for this particular time.....

In no particular order other than the first 2 duking it out for the top spot

1-Bob Stoops
2-Jim Tressel
3-Jeff Tedford
4-Kirk Ferentz
5-Rich Rodriguez

I gave Rodriguez the nod over Mark Richt and Tommy Tuberville b/c he has a much more difficult recruiting situation. Pete Carroll-phenomenal recruiter, and has assembled a phenomenal offensive staff and pipeline, but for having a rep as a defensive guy-his D got absolutely cornholed in the 2 biggest games last year. If Bob Petrino can keep Louisville going after Brohm and Bush are gone, he might get mentioned for this list. I always really liked Barry Alvarez, but he has retired.

[Bucklion]

I'm going to have to think about my own list, but looking at yours, I personally think that Kirk Ferentz is going to plummet off that list in a hurry. Nothing against the guy, and I could, of course, be wrong, but after a few pretty good years, I think Iowa will settle back in to a "middle-of-the-pack" status again, looking at Sun Bowl bids most years. If he had aspirations for a bigger job, he should have cashed in his chips while he could have.

[OhioDomer]

Being a ND fan I have to throw Weis in there because of what he did with Willinghams poor classes and worthless development, plus he has hit recruiting hard, great 06 class and already building an even better 07 class, Tressel definatly (although his decision of throwing damn, uh, cant remember the white qb's name for the life of me in the Texas game after Smith had the O on a roll still baffles me), Stoops and Ferentz as well... ah Zwick I remembered

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by OhioDomer

Being a ND fan I have to throw Weis in there because of what he did with Willinghams poor classes and worthless development, plus he has hit recruiting hard, great 06 class and already building an even better 07 class, Tressel definatly (although his decision of throwing damn, uh, cant remember the white qb's name for the life of me in the Texas game after Smith had the O on a roll still baffles me), Stoops and Ferentz as well... ah Zwick I remembered

I almost made a big long post making fun of how none of those guys on the list have any Superbowl rings, but I didn't want to start a domer fight.

[BB73]

I'll go with this list:

1. Jim Tressel
2. Bob Stoops
3. Pete Carroll
4. Tom O'Brien (BC)
5. Frank Beamer

I really like Mark Richt, but he needs to get over the hump of making it to the NC game.

[stxbuck]

Originally Posted by Bucklion

I'm going to have to think about my own list, but looking at yours, I personally think that Kirk Ferentz is going to plummet off that list in a hurry. Nothing against the guy, and I could, of course, be wrong, but after a few pretty good years, I think Iowa will settle back in to a "middle-of-the-pack" status again, looking at Sun Bowl bids most years. If he had aspirations for a bigger job, he should have cashed in his chips while he could have.

Honestly, I factored in the geographic/recruiting advantage/disadvantages when I made my list. Ferentz is going to have to work and strategize 5x as much as Urban Meyer, simply because Karen Holbrook could reel in a Top 10 recruiting class at Florida. Same thing w/ Rodriguez at WVU. Program status/talent pool and pure coaching skill are two very different things.
It will be interesting to see what happens w/ Oklahoma in the next 3-4 years now that Mack Brown has regained recruiting control of Texas back from Oklahoma.

[OregonBuckeye]

Jimmy Tressel
Bob Stoops
Pete Carroll
Mike Bellotti
Mack Brown

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by stxbuck

I'm totally bored w/ the discussions on the football board now, so I will throw this out-give you Top 5 college coaches-game strategy, recruiting, the whole package. I am talking current status, so Joe Pa and Burger King Bobby are off the list for this particular time.....

In no particular order other than the first 2 duking it out for the top spot

1-Bob Stoops
2-Jim Tressel
3-Jeff Tedford
4-Kirk Ferentz
5-Rich Rodriguez

I gave Rodriguez the nod over Mark Richt and Tommy Tuberville b/c he has a much more difficult recruiting situation. Pete Carroll-phenomenal recruiter, and has assembled a phenomenal offensive staff and pipeline, but for having a rep as a defensive guy-his D got absolutely cornholed in the 2 biggest games last year. If Bob Petrino can keep Louisville going after Brohm and Bush are gone, he might get mentioned for this list. I always really liked Barry Alvarez, but he has retired.

If you are going to keep PC of the list because of his poorer defensive showing with last years squad, then it is only fair to lop Stoops right of your list. I say such for though you state current status as your metric, you deliberately exclude JoePa, thus you are concerned about more than one season's worth of productive effort. Any list of the top 5 College Coaches that does not have Lear Jet Pete on it is frankly tilted too far from the left coast. Other than that I like the general premise - record of accomplishment over a reasonably long haul, rather than just one season .. which is also why I question dunning Carroll so severely. Love him or hate him, Carroll recruited and had his highly touted recruits well placed to play - even with last years loss to a very good Texas team.

Originally Posted by OhioDomer

Being a ND fan I have to throw Weis in there because of what he did with Willinghams poor classes and worthless development, plus he has hit recruiting hard, great 06 class and already building an even better 07 class, Tressel definatly (although his decision of throwing damn, uh, cant remember the white qb's name for the life of me in the Texas game after Smith had the O on a roll still baffles me), Stoops and Ferentz as well... ah Zwick I remembered

Oh dear, Weis after one season = greatness. Seems that goes completely against the underlying premise suggested by stxbuck, a more proven, longer term record. No way in my view does Weis belong on a list of best Top 5 coaches today. Frankly, many were christening Willingham as the best thing since sliced bread after HIS 1st season in South Bend. I am not suggesting that Weis is in any way approaching business at ND as did Willingham, quite the contrary. There is much cause for Domer optimism for the future. Blessing Weis with a top 5 status NOW is simply pulling the trigger too early.

[Dryden]

If we're talking about everything -- recruiting, game day coaching, development, etc, -- then I've got to go with these 5:

Jim Tressel
Mark Richt
Pete Carroll
Bob Stoops
Mack Brown

If, however, I were comprising a list on the 'potential' of a coach if he had someone elses' recruiting machine to work with, then all of a sudden it gets a lot harder to rule out guys like:

Tommy Tuberville, Kirk Ferentz, Frank Beamer, Gary Patterson, Tom O'Brien, Pat Hill, Joe Novak, Mike Bellotti, Rich Rodriguez, etc ...

I mean, you have to wonder, what would Glen Mason do at Ohio State if he could really build a roster of A-list prospects and isn't scratching to get the 2-star and 3-star kids to follow him to Minnesota? What could Mike Leach do if he could recruit anyone to play defense at Texas Tech? What could Pat Hill or Tom O'Brien really accomplish if they actually had better athletes than 11 of their 12 opponents?

[osugrad21]

No order...

Game Planning & Game Calls

Rodriguez
Tressel
Carroll
Spurrier
Hill

Recruiting

Carroll
Mack Brown
Weis
Tressel
Richt

More with Less

Petrino
Tom O'Brien
Paul Johnson
Gary Walker
Pat Hill

Less with More

B. Bowden
Coker
Groh
Carr
Callahan

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by OregonBuckeye

Jimmy Tressel
Bob Stoops
Pete Carroll
Mike Bellotti
Mack Brown

Do you like Oregon? It's hard to tell in your posts.

[OhioDomer]

Im saying if he is lopping off Carroll because of what he will have next year seems like he is going very short term... as far as willingham, he never had the fire you need at a school like notre dame or ohio state,, the 06 and so far of the 07 classes of recruiting look great, and he somewhat saved the 05 class... and with what willingham left him (or didnt leave him i should say) for a defense I think he did a great job.. now 9-3 is not good enough for me, just like bucks going 9-3 isnt good enough for you guys... i expect Notre Dame to continually be top 5 for at least the next 5 years.. and could honestly see Ohio State and Notre Dame playing each other regularly at the end of the season... so like i said, being a notre dame fan (and suffering through the years of incompetent coaching) i put Weis on the list. He would be number 5 on my list

Originally Posted by sandgk

If you are going to keep PC of the list because of his poorer defensive showing with last years squad, then it is only fair to lop Stoops right of your list. I say such for though you state current status as your metric, you deliberately exclude JoePa, thus you are concerned about more than one season's worth of productive effort. Any list of the top 5 College Coaches that does not have Lear Jet Pete on it is frankly tilted too far from the left coast. Other than that I like the general premise - record of accomplishment over a reasonably long haul, rather than just one season .. which is also why I question dunning Carroll so severely. Love him or hate him, Carroll recruited and had his highly touted recruits well placed to play - even with last years loss to a very good Texas team.



Oh dear, Weis after one season = greatness. Seems that goes completely against the underlying premise suggested by stxbuck, a more proven, longer term record. No way in my view does Weis belong on a list of best Top 5 coaches today. Frankly, many were christening Willingham as the best thing since sliced bread after HIS 1st season in South Bend. I am not suggesting that Weis is in any way approaching business at ND as did Willingham, quite the contrary. There is much cause for Domer optimism for the future. Blessing Weis with a top 5 status NOW is simply pulling the trigger too early.

[OhioDomer]

I would say Weis is not that far behind with Game Planning and Play calls, if we had a defense I think a lot of things would have been different,,, although I still think OSU would have gotten the best of us,, I dont know if anyone could have stopped the Bucks that night.

Originally Posted by osugrad21

No order...

Game Planning & Game Calls

Rodriguez
Tressel
Carroll
Spurrier
Hill

Recruiting

Carroll
Mack Brown
Weis
Tressel
Richt

More with Less

Petrino
Tom O'Brien
Paul Johnson
Gary Walker
Pat Hill

Less with More

B. Bowden
Coker
Groh
Carr
Callahan

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by OhioDomer

I would say Weis is not that far behind with Game Planning and Play calls, if we had a defense I think a lot of things would have been different,,, although I still think OSU would have gotten the best of us,, I dont know if anyone could have stopped the Bucks that night.

I agree completely but I need more proof. Charlie was very late to adjust to a 3 step drop in the Fiesta Bowl. Those kind of mistakes happen...and they cost you ballgames. His gameplan against USC was tremendous. I fully expect him to be on this list in the next few years...if not this year. Then again, he could just as easily end up as more hype than substance. Therefore, I need more proof...

[jwinslow]

was the 3-step drop there all day, or was that more the result of a prevent D? While it yielded lots of yardage, there were a good number of <7 yard plays which milked the clock.