OL J.B. Shugarts (official thread)

[LordJeffBuck]

Let's remember something here - "drug paraphernalia" can mean a lot of things, but most importantly it means, "no drugs". If the players involved had been caught with actual drugs, then there would have been a drug charge ("possession of controlled substances") as well.

Many items (too many, IMHO) can be considered "drug paraphernalia" under the law, including plastic bags, tea spoons, and corn cob pipes ... and just about anything else that a cop with a chip on his shoulder thinks could be even remotely associated with drug use.

Stupid laws lead to stupid charges, and this looks like a perfect example of that.

As BKB said, this incident happened six weeks ago, and we hadn't heard a peep about it until Friday night. If this were a big deal, then I'm sure that the info would have hit the internet much sooner than that.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by southcampus

I hope they learn from this. Seriously, both of these guys are going to be competing for starting jobs this year and something like this would be extremely detrimental to starting. Hopefully the tests come back negative, (although I've never heard of a drug test taking over a month and a half to come back) and they learn from this and get back to work.
Aside from that, I've been hearing that the class of '08 has been "killin it" in practice and has some clear leaders.

They probably didn't take the test the night of the incident... in fact, because they weren't arrested, I'm all but certain they did not. Fact is, they probably didn't get tested (something they probably offered to the prosecutor) until a week or two ago.

[Taosman]

[ysubuck]

I posted this over on the GBW free site because JB and Mike are now the equivalent of Tony Montana so I felt the need to clarify something:

I am a former middle school science teacher. I used triple beam balance scales in my classroom all the time. I also would take them home from time to time to do routine cleaning, maintenance, etc.

One day I'm on my way home from school and I get pulled over for going 42 in a 35 mph zone. I also have two scales in my back seat. Police officer calls for back up and I sit there for an hour and a half while they try to decide what to charge me with. Guy is convinced I'm a dealer. I tell him "there are 20 other scales just like this back in my store room at school if you don't believe my story." I ended up not even getting a speeding ticket which is what he pulled me over for in the first place.

Nobody appreciates how difficult a cops job is more than me, but if a cop is having a bad day he can make life very difficult for you. Not saying that's what happened here, but the point is we really don't know what happened here.

[ginn421]

I used to live on the intersection of Pearl & 14th on campus and I can tell you that police were ALWAYS camped out at that stop sign and pulling people over for "running" that stop sign. More like "failing to stop for a full 30 seconds and looking in every possible direction before moving." Not that this changes anything about the paraphernalia though.

My roomates and I used to sit on our roof getting drunk all afternoon in the spring and count how many people got stopped by the bike cops at that stop sign....ahh college.

[OH10]

I'm confused. They had drug paraphernalia in the car, yet they would pass a marijuana test???

Not that I really care. I knew maybe one or two guys in college that DIDN'T smoke pot once in a while. It's the offseason. They're young. They shouldn't do it. If it happens again, then suspend 'em.

[fanaticbuckeye]

Originally Posted by OH10

I'm confused. They had drug paraphernalia in the car, yet they would pass a marijuana test???

Not that I really care. I knew maybe one or two guys in college that DIDN'T smoke pot once in a while. It's the offseason. They're young. They shouldn't do it. If it happens again, then suspend 'em.

I dont understand this argument. It's illegal to smoke pot. I am not passing judgment on this incident because I (we) don't know the facts. But if you do something illegal, you are held accountable regardless of how many people do it, end of story. The severity of the punishment is Coach's call.

[DontHateOState]

Originally Posted by Oh8ch

Sorry - not buying.

Given that we probably hear about one in ten of these sort of incidents there have simply been too many lately for my comfort level.

It was rampant under Cooper. Things are supposed to be different now.

Please, it's weed.

Not having a 0.0 GPA.

[generaladm]

Just because there was a piece of paraphernalia in the car doesn't mean it belonged to one of them. I'm sure at some point there was someone besides those two riding in the car, and if they had a small pipe in their pocket that fell out and got lost in the seat cushions, there's your drug charge. I had a friend who was charged with possession after a cop found a cellophane cigarette wrapper filled with weed under his passenger seat. The day of his hearing, he took the initiative to talk to the prosecutor before his case was called up, and told him it wasn't his, and he had no idea it was there. The charge was dropped.

[Brutus1]

Hey now, I never played for Cooper!

[Folanator]

Since we should all follow the laws...

In Ohio, if you ignore an orator on Decoration day to such an extent as to publicly play croquet or pitch horseshoes within one mile of the speaker?s stand, you can be fined $25.

Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.

It is illegal to fish for whales on Sunday.

It is illegal to get a fish drunk.

The Ohio driver?s education manual states that you must honk the horn whenever you pass another car.

Participating or conducting a duel is prohibited.

Breast feeding is not allowed in public.

It is illegal for more than five women to live in a house.

It is illegal to mistreat anything of great importance.

Dumb laws are just that, dumb laws.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

It did hit BP already...just not posted on the boards. There was a test given at the time of the arrest, if it shows up negative, charges are dropped. Both swear the test will be negative.

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

Let's remember something here - "drug paraphernalia" can mean a lot of things, but most importantly it means, "no drugs". If the players involved had been caught with actual drugs, then there would have been a drug charge ("possession of controlled substances") as well.

Many items (too many, IMHO) can be considered "drug paraphernalia" under the law, including plastic bags, tea spoons, and corn cob pipes ... and just about anything else that a cop with a chip on his shoulder thinks could be even remotely associated with drug use.

Stupid laws lead to stupid charges, and this looks like a perfect example of that.

As BKB said, this incident happened six weeks ago, and we hadn't heard a peep about it until Friday night. If this were a big deal, then I'm sure that the info would have hit the internet much sooner than that.

Think those two posts need to be repeated. No need to flip out.

[Onebuckfan]

Not a big deal I guess but keeping your name out of the newspaper should be their goal

[southcampus]

I've been hearing they will test negative. The staff isn't even worried about this.

[Jaxbuck]

It is illegal to mistreat anything of great importance.

Well if any lawyer can convince a jury that scUM is of great importance JT is going to get the chair.