TE/WR Jake Stoneburner (official thread)

[Quickness]

Stoneburner's senior film is up on Rivals. He looks great in space and powerful.
Rivals has him at # 75.

[buckeye4ever21]

I know this has been discussed a lot, but after watching Stoneburner in person I believe he will project as a TE on the next level. He has a decent amount of speed, but as a reciever he just doesn't look like he has that impressive speed needed for a next level reciever. His size is also borderline WR/TE size, the bigger he gets, the more he grows out of the WR position. Another thing to take into consideration is how many recievers we currently have and how many we are still looking at in this class. We might take 3 true WRs Posey, Scott, Thomas and Floyd and you could really only turn the 4th reciever away even with how tight our schollies are. One other consideration is that we don't have a field stretching TE. Just wondering what everyone else's thoughts were but he just seems to fit the TE role the best in my opinion where as I think he'd be an ok reciever in college.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeye4ever21

I know this has been discussed a lot, but after watching Stoneburner in person I believe he will project as a TE on the next level. He has a decent amount of speed, but as a reciever he just doesn't look like he has that impressive speed needed for a next level reciever.

[jwinslow]

He has a decent amount of speed, but as a reciever he just doesn't look like he has that impressive speed needed for a next level reciever.

Speedwise, there aren't many 6'4"+ WRs in Jake's zipcode. Besides his game speed, he torched the Akron turf this summer... with two sub-4.5 40's.

[buckeye4ever21]

Originally Posted by OregonBuckeye

He just doesn't seem real fast out of his cuts and doesn't really have that seperation speed. I mean he is fast don't get me wrong but he just doesn't seem to have that burst and shiftiness. I'm not saying he can't be or doesn't fit the WR mold but just looks that much better as a future TE. I went to the Coffman and Scioto game and Stoneburner was a complete non factori mena he got the short receptions but nothing down the field. And with a true reciever in Fairchild on his team he just didn't seem to match the shiftiness and seperation the Fairchild could create. I know it's just about projecting a position, but just throwing out what i've seen.

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by buckeye4ever21

He just doesn't seem real fast out of his cuts and doesn't really have that seperation speed. I mean he is fast don't get me wrong but he just doesn't seem to have that burst and shiftiness. I'm not saying he can't be or doesn't fit the WR mold but just looks that much better as a future TE.

whatever you're smoking, please share it with the board. must be some good stuff.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeye4ever21

He just doesn't seem real fast out of his cuts and doesn't really have that seperation speed. I mean he is fast don't get me wrong but he just doesn't seem to have that burst and shiftiness. I'm not saying he can't be or doesn't fit the WR mold but just looks that much better as a future TE.

I'll cut you some slack as you may not be too familiar with Stoney. As Jwinslow mentioned, he's run under a 4.5 at combines before including a 4.45 at the Pitt combine. At 6'5" and 225 lbs, that's freaky.

[OSU_Buckguy]

one thing to keep in mind is that 6'5" receivers often look slower because their strides are so much longer. if you were to put him next to a, say, 5'10" guy running at the same speed, the shorter guy would appear to be running faster. as far as claiming that he doesn't have "that shiftiness," i really don't know what you're looking at, brother. jake is as shifty as you're going to find for a guy his size. i was very impressed by his moves.

[BuckTwenty]

David Boston weighed as much as some smaller sized TEs, but he played WR. If Beanie puts on another 10 pounds of muscle, can he no longer be a RB? Does he have to move down to FB like Lemming said he would?

If it's his speed your concerned about, Butch Reynolds can help teach him how to run faster and more efficiently. You can't teach size, and Stoneburner has MISMATCH tatooed all over him. He's a cornerback's worst nightmare: a WR in a TE's body with sub 4.5 speed and will not go down on first contact. On top of that, he's a Buckeye to his core right here in central Ohio and has adopted a co-recruiting coordinator role for OSU with Mike Brewster and our staff.

I realize your concern Buckeye4ever, but the bottom line is that there's no one better in this business in evaluating talent that Jim Tressel and his staff. NO one. I trust him 100% on him offering Stoneburner as a WR, and some of those other WRs you mentioned better jump on this ship quickly or those limited scholarships will be gone.

[buckeye4ever21]

I guess he does look pretty agile for a guy his size and i guess i'm really comparing him to the other WRs we are after Posey, Floyd, Thomas and Scott. He doesn't look as shifty as these guys. I just think if we do in all likelihood get 3 out of the 4 true recievers not including Stoneburner (Which I think we have a good shot) then I think we would have to move 1 of them because there is only one football. I also don't see what a problem it would be to move him to TE because if he's utilized correctly then he could more dangerous and add a threat which OSU has never seen ex.(shockey, vernon davis, winslow, gates, mizzou's TEs and Travis Beckem Wisc., in fact Purdue's TE had over 100 yards against us, Fred Davis a former top 3 Ohio talent has 435 yards and 3 TDs). I'm not trying to make an outrageous remark that he isn't fast or can never be a WR or that he can't go up and catch a football, I'm just simply stating that I think he projects as a dangerous TE.

[buckeye4ever21]

[quote=BuckTwenty;954702;]David Boston weighed as much as some smaller sized TEs, but he played WR. If Beanie puts on another 10 pounds of muscle, can he no longer be a RB? Does he have to move down to FB like Lemming said he would?


I guess it's a part of Miami (Fla)'s game that they utilize well fast TEs and it's something i'd like OSU to integrate into its offense. But David Boston ran in the high 4.3s and falls into the group of those very few special guys Calvin Johnson, TO and Anquan Boldin who can run 4.3 to 4.4s and can still create the seperation at that level. Boston also had some HGH to help him as he was not huge in college. But going off the Beanie point if he were to gain more pounds I think he would be less effective. With what i've seen from Saine even when he was healthy from all that weight he gained he appears to have slower lateral movement then when I saw him in HS (just watching the way he moved not his competition) but still moves as fast straight up field. Some guys can carry extra weight and maintain speed and others gradually lose their speed, just depends what weight you play the best under. But overall about Stoneburner it's a mostly hope and prediction.

[jwinslow]

But David Boston ran in the high 4.3s and falls into the group of those very few special guys Calvin Johnson, TO and Anquan Boldin who can run 4.3 to 4.4s and can still create the seperation at that level.

Boldin ran a 4.71 at the combine.

Boston also had some HGH to help him as he was not huge in college.

Which makes me question whether he was running 4.3's before turning himself into a cartoon.

I guess it's a part of Miami (Fla)'s game that they utilize well fast TEs and it's something i'd like OSU to integrate into its offense.

Then Koger would have been a good fit.

a) Keep him at WR, creating huge mismatches to exploit, with a lil less agility than other WRs. Advantage in blocking situations.
b) Move him to TE, and hope he learns how to block better, tho at a level lower than typical OSU te's. Neutral matchup at best in blocking situations.

Scenario A sounds a lot more promising.

With what i've seen from Saine even when he was healthy from all that weight he gained he appears to have slower lateral movement then when I saw him in HS (just watching the way he moved not his competition) but still moves as fast straight up field.

Disagree completely. Agility was always a weakness of Saine's... I thought he took a step ahead in that department, as well as vision, since last fall.

[crazybuckfan40]

It is all about presenting mismatches to the opposing team, and Stoney will create alot of them either on the inside in the slot going against slower safeties and lb's who try to match his size but can't match his speed or on the outside where he will use his size against smaller corners...

Either way he will be counted on to block as all receivers are here, and I don't see him putting his hand down in the ground...

[Quickness]

Great posts. In all of the publications and web sites, he continues to be told he will play split end. A football player who is 6'5", 225 lbs and runs sub 4.5 is a freak. Now he could come out of the huddle and line up next to the tackle, but release down field - OPTIONS!!!!

In todays dispatch 36 receptions 656 yards 18.3 average. Avg seems to point towards pretty shifty.

bucks4ever21 - go out to other sites and watch his film. The first tackler on the films misses. The film shows his ability to side step the first defender. Not sure what happen at the Scioto game, but his junior film and senior film is amazing for a guy his size. The split end is a perfect place for Stoney. Bigger and faster then the lbs or safeties and running in the middle of the field.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by Quickness

Great posts. In all of the publications and web sites, he continues to be told he will play split end. A football player who is 6'5", 225 lbs and runs sub 4.5 is a freak. Now he could come out of the huddle and line up next to the tackle, but release down field - OPTIONS!!!!

In todays dispatch 36 receptions 656 yards 18.3 average. Avg seems to point towards pretty shifty.

bucks4ever21 - go out to other sites and watch his film. The first tackler on the films misses. The film shows his ability to side step the first defender. Not sure what happen at the Scioto game, but his junior film and senior film is amazing for a guy his size. The split end is a perfect place for Stoney. Bigger and faster then the lbs or safeties and running in the middle of the field.

Zach struggled some in the Scioto game and they really tried to get the running back Phillips involved...