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[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

...as a matter of fact, miami u. went to the gmac bowl in 2003.. they finished #10 in the ap poll. are you all saying that they didn't deserve a bowl game because it rewards mediocrity? how about marshall finishing in the top 10 under b. leftwich and going to the gmac bowl??

just curious what hardcore buckeye fans think.

My thoughts are that those are the exceptions that prove the rule...

Is it fair that teams of the MAC get hosed by bigger bowls when they really are deserving? Heck no. At least not if we're defining fair as "best teams go to the best bowls".

As an OSU fan I acknowledge it is incredibly easy for me to say this, but the real world just doesn't work that way. OSU has had the opposite problem on occasion. I remember the Sugar Bowl a few years ago. We were selected for it because of the size of our fan base and our "take it to the bank" TV audience; but we did NOT belong in the game. We were spanked by an FSU team that DID deserve to be there. The embarassment was exacerbated by the fact that OSU fans could see it coming and they didn't travel well that year.

Would it be nice if Bowl selections were based entirely on an OBJECTIVE analysis of which teams were best and on nothing else. Maybe.

But that's not even possible; and even if it were, it's not realistic. Sponsors put their money behind bowls to make more money, not because they want to make other people rich at their own expense.

Hey, you asked for my thoughts. My thoughts ramble sometimes...

[Buckeye Nut]

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

although i agree that many bowl-bound teams are certainly are rewarded for mediocrity (mostly from bcs schools), oftentimes non-bcs schools with great regular season records play in these games. for example, the mac has an auto bid into each of the aforementioned bowls (gmac and int'l)... these teams have great seasons in their conference to get into these bowl games. they aren't like the iowa state's of the world who can go 3-5 in their conference and win a couple of cupcake games in their non-conference schedule.

as a matter of fact, miami u. went to the gmac bowl in 2003.. they finished #10 in the ap poll. are you all saying that they didn't deserve a bowl game because it rewards mediocrity? how about marshall finishing in the top 10 under b. leftwich and going to the gmac bowl??

just curious what hardcore buckeye fans think.

Those two are definitely exceptions and even those teams weren't top 10 teams. It's easy to climb the rankings when you have a good team and don't play anybody. To me, no more than two mac/c-usa teams in a single year deserve a bowl game. The conference champion and maybe the runner up if the runner up had a good record and was upset in the title game. Most years the champions of those leagues have no more than eight or nine wins with a lot of easy wins against the likes of Buffalo, Ball State, EMU, Kent, etc. Heck, Akron was your champion last year, had seven wins and got shutout by Army at home. Bottom line, don't play this game in January. It's an honor that neither team deserves and frankly doesn't make any sense because even fewer people will watch it now than would have before and of course attendance will be poor no matter when it's played.

[MiamiRedHawks]

i agree that they shouldn't be played in january and have no idea why they were moved there (int'l bowl is new, i realize).

honestly, i dislike how bowls are developed and distributed. its a joke! like most, i'm in favor of a playoff.

i like to see good seasons rewarded, no matter what conference. having the 7th place big ten team get a bowl is a joke, no matter how you slice it. so, does the 4th place team in the mac or cusa deserve a bowl?? probably not.

buckeyenut, i absolutely disagree with you on miami and marshall and their top ten rankings. its much easier to stay up in the rankings when you start out the season in the top 10.. but to climb there from out of nowhere is an accomplishment. in 2002 there were only 2-3 big ten teams who would've been favored vs. miami by the end of the year (osu, iowa, and michigan). they were certainly worthy of top 10 in my opinion, and obviously of the nat'l media, bcs poll, and coaches poll (11th I believe). to completely discredit all of those?? i think that's a bit reckless. its okay to give credit to good teams from the mac, buckeyenut! is that your handle on jjhuddle too?

btw, akron won the mac east right now due to a ridiculous tiebreaker (crossover opponents stength of schedule). miami beat akron at home 51-23.

[CleveBucks]

Grab some beer and food and camp in front of the TV all day Saturday:

Sep. 14 Thu. Tennessee Tech @ MTSU 7:00 p.m. ESPNU
Sep. 14 Thu. Maryland @ West Virginia 7:30 p.m. ESPN
Chris Fowler/Kirk Herbstreit

Sep. 15 Fri. Kansas @ Toledo 8:00 p.m. ESPN2

Sep. 16 Sat. Iowa State @ Iowa Noon ESPN
Pam Ward/Mike Gottfried
Sep. 16 Sat. BYU @ Boston College Noon ESPN2
Sean McDonough/Chris Spielman
Sep. 16 Sat. Syracuse @ Illinois Noon ESPNU
Clay Matvick/Brian Kinchen
Sep. 16 Sat. Cincinnati @ Ohio State Noon GP (Ch. TBA)
Wayne Larrivee/Kelly Stouffer
Sep. 16 Sat. Duke @ Virginia Tech Noon LFS/GP (Ch. TBD)
Steve Martin/Rick Waker
Sep. 16 Sat. Marshall @ Kansas State 12:30 p.m. FSN
Bill Land/Gary Reasons
Sep. 16 Sat. Arkansas @ Vanderbilt 12:30 p.m. LFS/GP (Ch. TBD)
Dave Neal/Dave Rowe
Sep. 16 Sat. USF @ UCF 2:30 p.m. CSTV
Sep. 16 Sat. Oklahoma @ Oregon 3:30 p.m. ABC/GP
Dan Fouts/Tim Brant
Sep. 16 Sat. Michigan State @ Pittsburgh 3:30 p.m. ABC/GP
Mark Jones/David Norrie
Sep. 16 Sat. Miami (FL) @ Louisville 3:30 p.m. ABC/GP
Brad Nessler/Bob Griese/Paul McGuire
Sep. 16 Sat. LSU @ Auburn 3:30 p.m. CBS
Craig Bolerjack/Steve Buerlein
Sep. 16 Sat. Michigan @ Notre Dame 3:30 p.m. NBC
Tom Hammond/Pat Haden
Sep. 16 Sat. Youngstown State @ Penn State 3:30 p.m. ESPNU
Dave Armstrong/Mike Tomczak
Sep. 16 Sat. San Diego State @ Wisconsin 3:30 p.m. GP (Ch. TBA)
Craig Coshun/Randy Wright
Sep. 16 Sat. Ohio @ Rutgers 3:30 p.m. GP (Ch. TBA)
Bob Picozzi/Doug Garber
Sep. 16 Sat. Texas Tech @ TCU 5:30 p.m. OLN
Gary Bender/Glenn Parker
Sep. 16 Sat. Texas @ Rice 6:00 p.m. ESPN2
Ron Franklin/Ed Cunningham
Sep. 16 Sat. Arizona State @ Colorado 7:00 p.m. TBS
Rod Thulin/Charles Davis
Sep. 16 Sat. Furman @ North Carolina 7:00 p.m. ESPNU
Sep. 16 Sat. Nicholls State @ LA Tech 7:00 p.m. GP (Ch. TBA)
Sep. 16 Sat. Wofford @ South Carolina 7:00 p.m. GP (Ch. TBA)
Mike Morgan/George Rogers
Sep. 16 Sat. UL-Monroe @ Alabama 7:00 p.m. GP (Ch. TBA)
Dave Crane/Chris Stewart
Sep. 16 Sat. Clemson @ Florida State 7:45 p.m. ESPN
Mike Patrick/Todd Blackledge
Sep. 16 Sat. Nebraska @ Southern California 8:00 p.m. ABC
Brent Musberger/Bob Davie/Kirk Herbstreit
Sep. 16. Sat. Florida @ Tennessee 8:00 p.m. CBS
Verne Lundquiest/Gary Danielson
Sep. 16 Sat. Texas A&M vs. Army (Alamodome) 9:15 p.m. ESPN2
Gary Thorne/Bill Curry
Sep. 16 Sat. Stephen F. Austin @ Arizona 10:00 p.m. FSN Regional
Sep. 16 Sat. Navy @ Stanford 10:00 p.m. FSN Regional
Barry Thompkins/Bill Walsh/Jim Plunkett

[Buckeye Nut]

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

buckeyenut, i absolutely disagree with you on miami and marshall and their top ten rankings. its much easier to stay up in the rankings when you start out the season in the top 10.. but to climb there from out of nowhere is an accomplishment.

Worthy of a top 10 ranking? Hardly. Who did you beat? Nobody. Good three point effort against Iowa though. I'd argue it's just as easy to climb up the rankings by beating a bunch of nobodies while all the good teams from the Big Ten, SEC, Big XII are forced to play each other and knock each other off forcing the voters to move miami up by default simply because they have fewer losses.

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

in 2002 there were only 2-3 big ten teams who would've been favored vs. miami by the end of the year (osu, iowa, and michigan). they were certainly worthy of top 10 in my opinion, and obviously of the nat'l media, bcs poll, and coaches poll (11th I believe). to completely discredit all of those?? i think that's a bit reckless.

I have no problem discrediting the polls, just like any mac fan. We always hear how dumb the polls are from you guys because they don't give the mid-majors any respect, but of course when they give a mac team a high ranking then it's the be all end all. By admitting those three teams would beat miami also proves my point because if you put miami in the Big Ten, there's three losses right there and you're no where near the top 10, thus proving the only reason you were in the top 10 was because of your weak mac schedule.(I just realized weak mac schedule is kind of redundent, but I digress)

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

its okay to give credit to good teams from the mac, buckeyenut! is that your handle on jjhuddle too?

It's only okay when it's warrented. The next time a team from the mac does something that makes me stand up and take note will be the first.

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

btw, akron won the mac east right now due to a ridiculous tiebreaker (crossover opponents stength of schedule). miami beat akron at home 51-23.

I don't care how you decide your champion, obviously miami wasn't that much better if it had to come to a tiebreaker. How come miami couldn't take care of niu who akron beat twice? Didn't miami only have seven wins themselves, so what's the difference, it still looks terrible when your conference champion has that many losses and let's face it miami wasn't a very good team last year anyway. I'd suggest next time don't lose at home to cmu and get run off your own field by bowling green and you won't have to worry about tiebreakers.

[buckeye247]

Does everyone else hate watching Notre Dame games on NBC as much as I do? I was watching the ND PSU game last saturday with my girlfriend who knows no other college football team other than The Ohio State University and she says and i quote "who is this Brady Quinn why do they talk about him like he is the second coming of Jesus" I just laughed and said its all because of Notre Dame. I think if he played for USC,UF,UM,FSU and even tOSU he would get the respect he deserves but since he plays on Notre Dame he is over hyped beyond belief.

[MiamiRedHawks]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Nut

The next time a team from the mac does something that makes me stand up and take note will be the first.

This pretty much says it all... I figured that was you from JJ Huddle.

[Buckeye Nut]

Originally Posted by MiamiRedHawks

This pretty much says it all... I figured that was you from JJ Huddle.

What the hell is JJ Huddle and what has the mac ever done that is worthy of all this respect you guys keep clamoring for?